A good read if you are actually concerned:
Why I Will Never Return to the USA
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#12This makes me never want to leave the US. I fear that I will be scrutinized at the border and not be allowed back. Is so ridiculous I drive down the street when a police officer gets behind me I get really anxious and will sometimes go off route just so they're not behind me. I was born in Germany to two American parents that were in the military. So I'm afraid they may send me back to "where I came from".
I'm a little confused. Are you a US citizen? If you're ever refused at the border, there are other channels. One guy at one point of entry doesn't ultimately decide your fate.
That's the border. What if they put him on a no fly list? There are stories of citizens stuck overseas because of that.
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#13I can't prove this, but from the looks of it, sounds like your attitude was extremely condescending toward US Customs, sufficiently enough for them to tell you to bugger out.
There's a few select things you said that would piss me off as well.
The fact that you'd been to so many countries has little to do with why they kicked you out. There are numerous people with visas overflowing on every page of their passport from every imaginable country in the world...they get in here easily.
It's just you and your demeanor, from what I was able to deduce.
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#14Hey if you need anything in mtl let me know.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't actually be refused at the border if you are a citizen.
You can be detained indefinitely for no reason, even if you're a citizen. Habeas corpus and probable cause don't apply.
Are you referring to the 2012 NDAA? Because that specific provision (that denies habeas corpus under the AUMF) has yet to be tested in court, and is unlikely to pass Supreme Court review.
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#16A good read if you are actually concerned: https://www.aclu.org/files/kyr/kyr_english_5.pdf
This is a Know Your Rights pdf from the ACLU, for those who would like to know before clicking.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can be detained indefinitely for no reason, even if you're a citizen. Habeas corpus and probable cause don't apply.
Are you referring to the 2012 NDAA? Because that specific provision (that denies habeas corpus under the AUMF) has yet to be tested in court, and is unlikely to pass Supreme Court review.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
> The United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP), ICE-HSI Special Agents, and Coast Guard officers (E4 grade and above) who are all customs officers (those tasked with enforcing Title 19 of the United States Code) with the United States Department of Homeland Security, are permitted to search travelers and their belongings at the American border without probable cause or a warrant.
And the "border" isn't just what you might think of as the border (https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-co...):
> According to the government, it is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the “external boundary” of the United States.
Thus, we have a "constitution-free zone" in the US, where 197 million Americans reside (https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-constitution-free-zone...). Within this region, the Fourth Amendment is invalid.
If you Google the term "constitution-free zone", you can find numerous articles detailing the experiences various US citizens have had while traveling within the US (with no intention of crossing any national borders) of being stopped by federal agents from one of the groups listed above (CBP, ICE-HSI, Coast Guard) and being subjected to a search in violation of the Fourth Amendment.
Also: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-...
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you referring to the 2012 NDAA? Because that specific provision (that denies habeas corpus under the AUMF) has yet to be tested in court, and is unlikely to pass Supreme Court review.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception > The United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP), ICE-HSI Special Agents, and Coast Guard officers (E4 grade and above) who are all customs officers (those tasked with enforcing Title 19 of the United States Code) with the United States Department of Homeland Security, are permitted to search travelers and their belongings at the American border without…
I understand, but none of what you cite refers to indefinite detention.