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Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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That's in charity organizations, doubt that's true for government. Anyone have actual numbers on typical government overhead?

Depends on the program, but generally it ranges from 0 to 20%, most being right around 10%. This changes when republicans win on their "voucher" planks, when suddenly the overhead skyrockets because there are for-profit entities in the loop.

As I understand it, the idea of a voucher is that the for-profit entity receives the money after the end beneficiary does, which wouldn't affect how much the end beneficiary gets. What are you talking about?

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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The idea that people need to be told to buy food for their kid rather than a big screen TV is paternalistic, yes.

Sadly, some people absolutely need to be told to buy their kid a jacket vs. a large bag of cocaine.

Really? Any data to back that up?

(On a side note, a "large bag of cocaine" sounds like a business investment, investing in the highest return commodity available to the investor... not that I condone it, but it is somewhat different from what I assume you intended, namely buying recreational drugs for personal use rather than providing for one's children).

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, some people absolutely need to be told to buy their kid a jacket vs. a large bag of cocaine.

I agree! This is why I've long argued that companies should be required to pay a portion of their employees' paychecks in nontransferable vouchers. If parents want to blow their I-Bank or Google paychecks on MacBooks, cocaine, and hookers, after responsibly buying jackets and healthy food for their kids, that's their prerogative. But the first $n0,000 should be paid out in restricted vouchers to make sure they provid…

Another way to do this would be to have a Basic Income that pays out to minors separately from their parents, but into an account/card that, for minors, is restricted to certain products/services (somewhat like how foodstamps work, but more generally toward childcare/food/clothing/education-type products.) The parents would have power over the child's account, just as parents do today, but only given the same restrictions.

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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The one-time grant model seems like it could be important; you don't develop the whole cargo cult dependence when it is a one-time windfall only.

There's always the risk that one of the recipients will become so successful that they start doing this themselves... ;-)

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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I think the context is super important here. "gave cash to groups of young people so they could learn a trade and start their own businesses." In Uganda. These people were pretty much starving before. “These were mostly farmers who had work 10 to 20 hours a week and earned about $1 a day," With different people, culture, attitudes, environment the effect might be completely different in America, for example.

I don't think it's that different from the situation we have here in America. A lot of people are working low-wage dead-end jobs because they their kids or siblings need to eat. With only a little bit of extra money those people could stop working their jobs, learn new skills, and get better jobs.

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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The problem with cash grants is something that does not show up when there is a Columbia professor watching things. And that is that the money gets stolen.

Many poor countries suffer from corrupt callous and cruel leadership. And this means that the people in power tend to steal from the poor. Thus, if some organization tries to give cash to the poor there is a high likelihood that the money will be stolen and sent to a swiss bank.

It is much more difficult to steal bags of grain with "US AID" printed on them. They are heavy transport is expensive and no-one will pay full price for bags of grains that say US AID on them because they will know it is stolen. If you want to re-bag the grain, it will be a lot of work, and you will have to hire many workers some of which may inform the US embassy. Thus, once the US government dumps a bunch of grain in a poor place, even the evil corrupt warlords tend to leave most of it to the poor because it is too difficult to steal it and sell it.

There is a similar problem with cash crops. Initially when I heard activists complain about cash crops, I said "what is the problem? Farmers should farm cash crops in order to get the maximum amount of money for their land and labor." Well the problem is that if you plant cash crops (such as coffee, cocoa, etc.) you have to sell them to get some money out of them. But the local corrupt official and/or warlord will take control of all the merchants and make sure the farmers receive very little and take most of the money for himself. If, on the other hand the farmers plant ordinary food, it is very difficult for warlord to steal it. He will have to make his troops do actual agriculture work to steal the food, and they hate that.

So this will only work for countries with relatively strong civil society and there are very few of those among the poor countries.

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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I think the context is super important here. "gave cash to groups of young people so they could learn a trade and start their own businesses." In Uganda. These people were pretty much starving before. “These were mostly farmers who had work 10 to 20 hours a week and earned about $1 a day," With different people, culture, attitudes, environment the effect might be completely different in America, for example.

I don't think it's that different from the situation we have here in America. A lot of people are working low-wage dead-end jobs because they their kids or siblings need to eat. With only a little bit of extra money those people could stop working their jobs, learn new skills, and get better jobs.

People are not starving in America.Please visit poor countries before drawing parrallels.

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the program, but generally it ranges from 0 to 20%, most being right around 10%. This changes when republicans win on their "voucher" planks, when suddenly the overhead skyrockets because there are for-profit entities in the loop.

As I understand it, the idea of a voucher is that the for-profit entity receives the money after the end beneficiary does, which wouldn't affect how much the end beneficiary gets. What are you talking about?

Some programs, like schools, dispense services rather than cash. If you're talking about direct payment programs these are extremely efficient: 4.5% for SCHIP in 2005, for example. Other direct payment programs have higher overhead because they are means-tested (another conservative victory) and it costs money to administer means-tested programs.

Amusingly, the US state of Florida in 2011 enacted another one of those republican favorites, the drug test for welfare recipients. In practice it cost more to administer the drug tests than they saved by throwing the positive results out of the program, because it turns out that welfare recipients are far less likely than the general public to use drugs.

Re: Research Finds Outright Grants of Cash are an Effective Form of Aid to the Poor

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The problem with cash grants is something that does not show up when there is a Columbia professor watching things. And that is that the money gets stolen. Many poor countries suffer from corrupt callous and cruel leadership. And this means that the people in power tend to steal from the poor. Thus, if some organization tries to give cash to the poor there is a high likelihood that the money will be stolen and sent t…

I don't think this has been a significant problem for Give Directly, which sends money to people directly via the M-PESA cell phone network, in reasonably small amounts at a time, and with unpredictable timing. There's no easy access point for a corrupt official to swoop in and become involved.
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