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What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Awesome! How did your family/friends react? What is your next stop? Moving to Berlin next month to bootstrap.

They are quite used to me moving around a lot and just want to see me happy. I am now in Saigon and my next stop is probably Phnom Penh and then celebrate NYE in Hong Kong. Berlin is awesome! What are you working on?

I live and work from Phnom Penh. Cambodia is much more welcoming than Thailand. I wonder why anybody would actually even consider Thailand? Thai ruk Thai. Thailand for the Thai people. I totally agree. Anybody who isn't Thai should never set a foot there.

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Thai national here, and as a fellow bootstrapper I would have to agree with most of the points of the OP. The reason why I left my well-paid job in Singapore and come back to Thailand to bootstrap my startup is due to the much lower cost of living and un-tapped talent pool. I'd like to add that the quoted figure of $1,000 USD a month is rather high. Most Thais can get by with $500 USD. That is the current starting sa…

>EDIT: Of course, I'm not exactly familiar with the visa situation since I don't actually need it. Based on the OP, it seems pretty complicated, but still worth the hassle. I lived in Thailand for several years and 'bootstrapping' your business there as a foreigner without a work permit is breaking the law. You need a work permit to do ANY type of work in Thailand and although working out of sight is unlikely to get…

Look I'm American who has been living in SE Asia (mostly Malaysia) for the past 10 years. I've spent lots of time and worked in lots of countries here including Vietnam, Thailand, Philipines, Singapore, India and obviously Malaysia.

In Asia a work visa is intended for foreigners working for locally incorporated companies. Regardless of what it says on the websites, if you have a tourist visa you are free to startup / bootstrap your new enterprise. If your coding up a new website, hosting it on Amazon and serving customers over the internet your not really doing business and the country your living and honestly no body cares. It's cool.

If you want to start selling to locals, offering consultancy services to locals then yes you should probably get a visa. But of course you don't need the visa until you are actually doing that.

People who quote websites stating "facts" about visa's in SE Asia obviously don't know how the law works in SE Asia. In SE Asia the law is a guideline and your clout / how you treat people is much more important than the words written on the page, when it comes to the courts and the interpretation of the law.

So if you want to bootstrap in Asia, chillax and just do it. If your too worried about it, your probably won't adjust well anyways.

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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How is the education there? I found locals to complain about the talent the schools produced.

That said, it's a wonderful country. Avoid the tourist traps and you miss much of the sleazy side.

If I were 23 I would take it over Iowa ten times out of ten.

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Amazing article! I am doing the same (bootstrapping from Asia) and would agree with almost anything but the budget. I am currently in Ko Tao (=paradise) and during low season, you get a comfortable room for 8000 baht / month ($300) 5 min from the beach. In Chiang Mai I was renting a large bedroom on Airbnb for $9/day. Vientiane as well is a good option, they love foreigners there and there are a lot of french expats.…

Of course during low season, there is quite a bit of rain, which helps focusing on developing your startup and not going to the beach.

But downpours = bad internet in Thailand :-)

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Living in Argentina is quite cheap too if you are from North America or Europe, the currency is devaluating so hard dollar is actually 10 to 1, meaning you can rent a nice place for $200 (no pool just a normal appartment), good thing is though, there are no prostitutes and such, and you wont get charged so much for beeing foreigner, Argentina is full of europeans forgeigners so nobody can really say if you are from A…

Why not north?

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Ah, I'm so on the verge of doing this. I quit my programming day job a few weeks ago and really want to make this happen. However... I'm terrified of the SF real estate market when I return. I'm also torn about whether to give up my apartment or find someone to sublet (or AirBnB it?) to have something to return to. Any advice, from anyone here who knows SF/SV, or has done something like this, about the above, or abou…

I'm actually in the market for an apartment starting next month...if you'd like to email me I'd be happy to discuss with you. username at g

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>EDIT: Of course, I'm not exactly familiar with the visa situation since I don't actually need it. Based on the OP, it seems pretty complicated, but still worth the hassle. I lived in Thailand for several years and 'bootstrapping' your business there as a foreigner without a work permit is breaking the law. You need a work permit to do ANY type of work in Thailand and although working out of sight is unlikely to get…

Look I'm American who has been living in SE Asia (mostly Malaysia) for the past 10 years. I've spent lots of time and worked in lots of countries here including Vietnam, Thailand, Philipines, Singapore, India and obviously Malaysia. In Asia a work visa is intended for foreigners working for locally incorporated companies. Regardless of what it says on the websites, if you have a tourist visa you are free to startup /…

This is exactly my experience worded better than I could have.

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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If you dont like sex tourism it is ur mental problem. Feel free to agitate in your europez but please leave my thailand as is. Every girl has a right to do anything and its not your business.

Ps. Traveled around the world now living in pattaya. Asq questions.

Do you honestly believe those prostitutes enjoy sleeping with people like you?

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the countries I've been to the business travel visas are the same as the tourist ones, you just have to declare you are there for business purposes also. So the length is the same, 3 months.

I know colleagues (engineers) who were detained and kept under "hotel arrest" in Indonesia for being on the customer site without the correct working Visa (our guess - a tip off) I worked in Thailand on assignment for a large company there and we got a wind that the authorities where going to come in on a certain day and check every single foreigners passports. We were told even that we had the correct Visa, work fro…

Are you sure about that with Japan? The visa-free entry (at least for Americans) allows business.

> A visa is NOT necessary for US passport holders visiting Japan for a short-term stay of less than 90 days with the purpose of tourism and business.

http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/english/html/travel_and_visa/t...

Re: What I learnt bootstrapping my startup from Thailand for six months

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Note: Using throwaway so my employer doesn't find out about my plan to eventually leave. Are there any places similar to this in USA? Cost of living around $1000 (give or take), good internet access, no car needed, decently cheap food and rent, and possibly an affordable coworking space? I'm looking to bootstrap an internet company and while I don't mind living abroad, I'd be much more comfortable here in the US, see…

It's possible even in NYC. Around Jamaica you can get a room for $400-$500. Although it's not an apartment, just a room in a big house, so you can't make parties and stuff but is otherwise quite comfortable. Going to Manhattan also doesn't take too much time. E train goes directly and is express so it's a 45-60 min commute. As for food, cook at home. If in Manhattan, there's a great $1 pizza on Bleecker St. Lots of f…

You're much better finding a room somewhere further in Long Island and taking LIRR to the city than the E train!
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