I'm curious as to why this is now not on the front page?
Flags and lack of upvotes :/
There are a LOT of upvotes.
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#552Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can be really hard, almost impossibly hard, to make decisions when you're suddenly confronted with a situation that breaks your understanding of a person you trust (especially a person who has power over you, and especially a situation that seriously violates social norms) - at that moment, you're intensely confused, with a big "WTF" blaring in your head, your brain is flooding with panic and adrenaline...it's not…
I don't get the body shots with people you trust part. What sort of girls do these? Honest question. In my culture we call such girls sluts.
In the US, at least, consenting adults are free to do what they like within reasonable limits, of course with a concession for obscenity while in public. There's nothing particularly obscene about doing a body shot in good company. Had it occurred to you that some might find it fun?
Two things about your "culture": 1. Why does your culture seek to prescribe sexuality in such a seemingly overbearing way? 2. Has your culture not yet moved beyond slut-shaming, which is irrational and harmful for all parties involved?
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#553I'm disgusted by this whole thing. Here's a lot of people jumping to conclusions based on the one-sided account of one person's blog post. Hasn't it occurred to you people that she might be lying? I'm not saying she is, but there is a possibility. We have legal processes for a reason. Based on her account alone, I can say this: 1. She's very emotionally unstable and needs to seek professional help, for her own sake a…
> based on the one-sided account of one person's blog post. ... as well as corroboration by two other witnesses.
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Two words: Personal Responsibility. The fact she admit she froze up would in my mind maybe give the person the benefit of the doubt that he was not trying to be purposely malicious. That is the real issue here when we want to throw around terms like "sexual assault". What matters is the intent of the person when they commit these acts not that technical some sexual contact was made that was not invited when two adult…
What was Joe's personal responsibility? Why do people insist on bringing Justine's personal responsibility into this equation but not Joe's? He was in a position of power over her which most firms with an HR department are very specific about. Two words: Rape Culture. Rape culture exists when we continue to question the motives of the victim. The fact that many of you continue to excuse his behavior and question hers…
Not to mention there seems to be this ridiculous misconception that if you didn't know you were assaulting someone it's not sexual assault.
That's so very, very wrong. Anyone who argues this in court has a bad lawyer, or isn't listening to their good lawyer. Sexual assault can occur even if you don't know you are doing it. It is your responsibility, as the initiator, to know whether consent has been given or not!
Groping someone in a drunken stupor is very likely to get you into a LOT of trouble. The sooner this misconception is cleared up, the better. Both for those poor unfortunates that encounter the one with the misconception, and for the person with the misconception themselves, otherwise they might find themselves in jail!
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#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's right. I didn't mean to imply that citizens can initiate it on their own, but the author should at least try to press charges. The definition of sexual assault / rape varies by state. In any case, I don't think vigilante justice by blog post is an appropriate solution.
Can you explain to me how posting a factual account of a situation is 'vigilante justice'?
Factual, are we 100% certain? If you are going to attached these type of title to this person, we had better be damn certain. This is why we have a legal system and not mob rule based on emotions. If he is guilty then so be it but until we know for sure, we should hold judgement. Also she mentions at the beginning that she is just writing this to get it out there, sounds rushed.
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It's supposed to warn readers who have had similar experience that the content of the article could cause flashbacks of their own experiences. And I somehow can't shake off the feeling that all it does is promote the victim mentality in the the author and the audience. Also good job white knighting your pants off in this thread.
> And I somehow can't shake off the feeling that all it does is promote the victim mentality in the the author and the audience. So it's not so much that it doesn't accomplish re-introducing trauma, but that it has other negative effects? I am legitimately curious. > Also good job white knighting your pants off in this thread. /me rolls his eyes
He has a point, though. Between you, sneak, and wilkie, I can see why people are hesitant to discuss this topic openly. It's almost like the three of you are looking for a fight on this topic and ready for all comers. Like if it weren't for you three, we would all be woefully misinformed about sexual assault. There are opinions on this topic that differ from yours and in almost every one, I can find two or more of you going to the mat on how wrong it is.
At multiple points while reading this thread, I've come across your/their username again and said to myself, Jesus, take a break, let other people speak. I really rolled my eyes when you brought up the woman whose feelings you hurt on Twitter and subsequent witch hunt, as well. Trust me, the "witch hunt" you experienced after that suffocates in comparison to what Joe has in store.
To your credit, you are at least the most civil and coherent of the three. As a victim of false accusation, it was really swell to be dismissed out of hand by sneak.
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#557I'm disgusted by this whole thing. Here's a lot of people jumping to conclusions based on the one-sided account of one person's blog post. Hasn't it occurred to you people that she might be lying? I'm not saying she is, but there is a possibility. We have legal processes for a reason. Based on her account alone, I can say this: 1. She's very emotionally unstable and needs to seek professional help, for her own sake a…
> based on the one-sided account of one person's blog post. ... as well as corroboration by two other witnesses.
Can you point me to this please. I would like to read their corroboration of this event. It would help my opinion much more. This situation is so grey area that another perspective would help. Please link, thank you so much.
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#558This is sad. I don't want to be the devil advocate but I don't think we can judge here...So I will imagine the defense of Joe ; I understand that Justine doesn't want to enter in details. But without all informations, it does seem to me that Joe could have just misunderstood Justine behavior. "- Joe began to start rubbing my back and kissing my forehead (let me say this is not uncommon behavior between me and men I c…
> without all informations Which more information would you need? There are two other people that corroborate her story, and Joe says he's not saying anything.
Where is this, I would like to read the other two accounts.
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#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever lived with, much less been in love with a victim of sexual assault? This is hardly bizarre, almost disturbing behavior, given the circumstances. I can imagine Justine lashing out at her boyfriend because she may not have properly addressed what happened to her.
Have I ever lived with someone who had unwelcome sexual advances made to her at a party? Yep. In fact I myself have been the victim of "sexual assault", to use your rather inclusive definition. I would imagine a large proportion of the population have. I was not there, but taking the post at face value, it was right for Joe to be dismissed. His behaviour was inappropriate and unprofessional. The company's whitewashin…
That something else entirely may be SBS, http://sleepsex.org/.
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#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to the story, the other person involved was allowed to leave the company, saying it was his own decision. Nobody forced him to blog about it. He, however, chose to take the topic of his leaving the company public, in a way that one can easily see would sound like derision to somebody who was a victim of assault: http://objo.com/2013/01/31/funemployment/ So now it's internet mob behaviour if she posts her si…
Last time I checked there was this thing called "due process". There were two witnesses to the alleged assault and I say alleged because in the eyes of the law it is alleged until tried in a court, and you are an idiot if you don't know this. You don't even know if the assault happened and you are judging this man without a trial. You are a a goddamn imbecile. There were two witnesses, that's pretty clear cut. His bl…
Exactly. All this guilt mobbing absurd. This is someones life we are talking about. If you really care about this situation you would want this to be handled properly and not through an internet website with a bunch of strangers that have no connection this is account other than it was posted here.