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Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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Outlook may not be irreplaceable , but from what I've seen nobody has come close to making its replacement.

Once dead, Outlook should stay dead. It's absolutely horrible. Exchange as well.

What are your issues with Exchange? Actually, it was Exchange (at least since 2007SP1) that made me start thinking that it was actually possible for Microsoft to produce extremely reliable software.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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The problem is not the software,it is the proprietary format,just like PDF or PSD. These formats force industries to use specific softwares, were open formats would be plateform and software independent. That's the fight one needs to do, impose open and free file formats on the industry level. Microsoft like to break stuffs like it wanted to make his own version of XML, that's the true evil of Microsoft.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Pages on a Mac. It's a style sheet-based tool, where the styles are quite easy to work with. I've been using it for years now and it does almost everything I need it to do. I realize there are people who absolutely need every little feature in Word, but for things like letters, technical reports, briefs or software documentation Pages works just fine, and produces nicely-formatted docum…

So if I use LaTeX and it gives me the results I want and I don't find myself spending inordinate amounts of time tweaking things, does that make me an intermediate user? I guess I had better stop learning.

I think you hit a local extremum, so yes, I'd advise you to stay there :-)

The day will come when you will need those two figures side-by-side, together with a caption positioned just right. Or a table that spans multiple pages and has multi-column cells. Or, heaven forbid, you will need to submit your bibliography in a byzantine format invented by someone with nothing better to do ("we take pride in the fact that we place a period after author's names").

LaTeX also has another problem: even if you know it, getting from a document.tex file with 0 bytes to a document that looks good takes much longer than it should. By "looks good" I mean doesn't use Computer Modern, and overall doesn't look like a thesis from the 70s.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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“The reason I want Word to die is that until it does, it is unavoidable.” I don't know what he would think about air with this hipster mentality.

If air was a big, expensive, complex, hard-to-use, proprietary product that we could perfectly well kill off and do without, I'd loathe it.

The author's argument that Microsoft Word in unavoidable because doc format is de facto standard in his problem domain seems bullshit to me. You can't substitute a document editor with document format like that. I mean, you can totally avoid using Microsoft Word for creating doc files by switching to latex/markdown/org/... with [pandoc][1] converter, for example, or use any kind of MSWord-like word processors, e.g. OpenOffice Writer(if this somehow change something). The author didn't mention any other problem with Word, except it's local ubiquity, which i don't find a problem at all. So, why hate so much?

[1]: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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> Microsoft Word is a tyrant of the imagination, a petty, unimaginative, inconsistent dictator that is ill-suited to any creative writer's use. Microsoft Word was never designed to be an ideal tool for creative writing, programming, or any such thing. It was designed to help office workers produce business documents (a) quickly, (b) in a format that integrates with all the other programs in the Office suite, and (b)…

> Microsoft Word was never designed to be an ideal tool for creative writing... Word was designed to help office workers produce business documents And that's why they released a "Home and Student Edition".

I purchased the "Home and Student Edition" for my wife to use on her new MacBook Air. A few months ago she started writing short fiction, which we have since self-published on Kindle. We had to switch to Libre Office, though, because when I contacted Microsoft support and asked them about the "Non-Commercial use" restriction, they told me writing a novel counts as commercial activity.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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The truly irreplaceable product is Excel. It is fraught with quirky bugs and limitations and odd conventions (how many people actually end up storing dates before the magic February 29 1900?), yet no alternative can hold a candle to Excel. On the other hand, there are solid alternatives to the other products in the office suite

So true. Excel can now be seen as some sort of platform rather just some number handling software. There is a real lock in when hundreds to thousands of lines of scripting and data bindings have been written to manage often critical parts of someone's business.

I wonder if there will ever be a shift to a future incarnation of hypercard, or some other mainstream oriented 'programming' platform that would displace Excel.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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> Your average college professor isn't going to learn how to use a version control system to suggest changes to his student's thesis-in-progress. Word has version control though, and it's appreciated by many in academia. Version control for humans is a Big Startup Idea, I wouldn't be surprised if Dropbox and Github were trying to tackle it (from 2 different angles: Dropbox from the "how do we get average the user to…

Version control in Word (and pretty much any WYSIWYG editor) is fundamentally broken. I can't recall how many days of work I lost just because 1 out of 15 co-authors was not able to use it and fucked up everyone's text. And normally there's just 1 out of 15 that IS able to use it. If you're authoring papers on your own, heh, you could just be using pen and paper.

The problem there is having 15 co-authors. Really

And if some of them can't use it, teach them. And revert to the previously non-fucked up version (it's on someone's email by the name of Article_1_fixed_2_corrections_10_10.docx)

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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The truly irreplaceable product is Excel. It is fraught with quirky bugs and limitations and odd conventions (how many people actually end up storing dates before the magic February 29 1900?), yet no alternative can hold a candle to Excel. On the other hand, there are solid alternatives to the other products in the office suite

Excel is a seriously powerful tool, it is quite frankly amazing what can be done in Excel. I have worked with Excel-based trading systems with tens of thousands of lines of VBA code, controlling systems that trade hundreds of millions of USD. If Excel stopped working today, by tomorrow the stock markets would likely be in a blood bath, such is the ubiquitousness of Excel in that field.

It is also amazing what can be done programming in brainfuck.

That something is powerful enough to do the job does not mean that it is a good tool to do the job.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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"The .doc file format was also obfuscated,... it was effectively a dump of the in-memory data structures .... It's hard to imagine a corporation as large and [usually] competently-managed as Microsoft making such a mistake by accident "

They didn't use a binary on-disk format by accident, nor was it a mistake. The folks who wrote word knew that what users would want to open and save files as fast as possible, on hardware thats weak and tiny by today's standards. Going for a format that resulted in the smallest possible files and the fastest possible reads and writes makes sense in those conditions.

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