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Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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I've yet to encounter a better method of tracking changes than the one Word uses. Makes it trivially easy for me to take a document, make a bunch of changes, and then have the originator see exactly what I've done to it.

I've found a better method to be creating documents in plain text with some suitable formatting markup, and then apply a diff tool such as meld to see changes made. The way word does it, if I recall, involves sort of mashing the two versions together (or rather, having the change data saved with the document), with red font and strikethrough and so forth used to indicate changes, which is far harder to follow than what meld presents (the two documents side-by-side with coloured sections indicates changes, additions and deletions, joined with little lines between the documents to show locations, and a sensible scrolling mechanism to keep them coordinated).

I haven't used word for a few years, though, so if it's changed, disregard :)

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#112

Right now the word processor choices are Word or open-source Word clone, so I don't see the point for the end user. I use Libre/NeoOffice, but it's no easier to use than Word. I'd like to see a word processor more like old ClarisWorks/AppleWorks.

Or you could just use LaTeX with the text editor of your choice. Yes, you can write letters in LaTeX, yes, that is easy and yes, it takes me roughly one minute to get a perfectly-formatted simple letter, which is roughly equivalent to the time it took Word to start the last time I tried it (~2008?)

If you're going to work in LaTex you might want to use Lyx. Otherwise, working in a LaTex compiler is full of problems. Texshop is forgiving, but where is the Zoom view feature? Other compilers simply halt without letting you know why. As a word processor, Lyx is not bad at all. Exporting from Word to LaTex is not easy.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#113

The truly irreplaceable product is Excel. It is fraught with quirky bugs and limitations and odd conventions (how many people actually end up storing dates before the magic February 29 1900?), yet no alternative can hold a candle to Excel. On the other hand, there are solid alternatives to the other products in the office suite

How much would it take to replace Excel with an open source alternative? $100K? $1MM? There has to be a dollar amount where you can buy enough developer time to replace it.

See this for an idea of the complexity of that task:

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/02/19.html

(I realise I'm not answering you. I'm bad at estimates)

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#114
" Word is, I’m told, horrid, but it talks to publishers, which is really all I use it for." [1]

It is the lock-in. We can use our preferred tools (vim/LaTeX or Gedit/markdown) but collaboration requires capitulation. I can get away with PDFs a lot as I work as a teacher and my work is consumed on paper in very small editions.

[1] http://william.gibson.usesthis.com/

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#115

The truly irreplaceable product is Excel. It is fraught with quirky bugs and limitations and odd conventions (how many people actually end up storing dates before the magic February 29 1900?), yet no alternative can hold a candle to Excel. On the other hand, there are solid alternatives to the other products in the office suite

Excel is a seriously powerful tool, it is quite frankly amazing what can be done in Excel.

I have worked with Excel-based trading systems with tens of thousands of lines of VBA code, controlling systems that trade hundreds of millions of USD.

If Excel stopped working today, by tomorrow the stock markets would likely be in a blood bath, such is the ubiquitousness of Excel in that field.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#116

I came to similar conclusions but didn't like Scrivener, so I scratched my own itch instead. The result is http://dreamwriterapp.com - it only works in Chrome, but it can handle 100,000+ word novels without performance tanking like it does in Google Docs.

I get nothing but a spinning icon.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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> Microsoft Word is a tyrant of the imagination, a petty, unimaginative, inconsistent dictator that is ill-suited to any creative writer's use. Microsoft Word was never designed to be an ideal tool for creative writing, programming, or any such thing. It was designed to help office workers produce business documents (a) quickly, (b) in a format that integrates with all the other programs in the Office suite, and (b)…

> Your average college professor isn't going to learn how to use a version control system to suggest changes to his student's thesis-in-progress. Word has version control though, and it's appreciated by many in academia. Version control for humans is a Big Startup Idea, I wouldn't be surprised if Dropbox and Github were trying to tackle it (from 2 different angles: Dropbox from the "how do we get average the user to…

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Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#118
Everything there could be applied to pianos but you don't see people lining up to rant about them on blogs.

Word is "good enough" which is more than both the macro-driven systems (i.e. LaTeX, troff) have mustered and the opposite end of the spectrum with the layout based tools.

To be honest, every time I use Word, I'm relieved it's not HTML.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

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post #84
post #77

> Microsoft Word is a tyrant of the imagination, a petty, unimaginative, inconsistent dictator that is ill-suited to any creative writer's use. Microsoft Word was never designed to be an ideal tool for creative writing, programming, or any such thing. It was designed to help office workers produce business documents (a) quickly, (b) in a format that integrates with all the other programs in the Office suite, and (b)…

> Your average college professor isn't going to learn how to use a version control system to suggest changes to his student's thesis-in-progress. Word has version control though, and it's appreciated by many in academia. Version control for humans is a Big Startup Idea, I wouldn't be surprised if Dropbox and Github were trying to tackle it (from 2 different angles: Dropbox from the "how do we get average the user to…

Version control in physics research: a pile of printed documents

Collaboration in physics research: hand-written notes on margins of said pile

The issue with git etc is that everyone involved has to understand how it works and accept and appreciate the benefits over the system outlined above (which works quite well for papers with few authors). If even one author doesn't care, you cannot implement the system. And good luck getting professors to care about things that aren't research or funding.

Re: Why Microsoft Word must die

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched several years ago and never looked backed. No problem whatsoever, I produce all my corporate documents with it. Could you explain what it is that scared you so much? I am the one to scream whenever I'm forced into using anything from the post 2003 MS office suites, which is thankfully extremely rare.

Yeah, sure: - LibreOffice can't even show the simplest documents correctly on the same computer: http://i.imgur.com/0glr43F.png vs. http://i.imgur.com/g3a1332.png - Word takes 2 seconds. It's outright irritating to say the least. - Everything else has lags too. File->Save takes > 2 seconds to show me the dialog. In Word it's instantaneous. - No smooth scroll?? My eyes!!! >___ - No "Styles"?? - The UI just screams "LI…

You raised some great points about the selection UI. Did you file any bug reports for them? For your bad.doc, I think it's a missing font issue. Would you mind posting the file somewhere like Google Docs or Skydrive so we could take a look at it?

For the smooth scrolling, you need to enable it under:

Tools->Options->Writer->View

Unfortunately, it is disabled by default.

I love the idea of Free software, use LO at home, and pushed for it at work. After a pilot LO rollout, we ended up going with MSO 2010 because of LO's poor interoperability with our old Word docs.

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