Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

How do people in Japan use their current 1 Gbps connections today? Are the ISPs making money or are they in some kind of government-subsidized fiber bubble?

1 Gbps is faster than a hard disk and 10 Gbps is faster than an SSD; this could change app design.

Re: Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

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Post by dkasper » Thu, Jun 11, 2009, 11:40 PM UTC

TweedHeads wrote: post #2

Meantime, we suck... Thanks to BigTelcos

To be fair, also blame the fact that the area of the US is 25x that of Japan (10x if you count just the lower 48).

Re: Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

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Post by evgen » Thu, Jun 11, 2009, 11:50 PM UTC

The size of the pipe going out of your house does not matter if the upstream routers do not have #users x max_bandwidth available as well. Seeing as how state of the art equipment does not have enough bandwidth on the backplane to support even a small neighborhood with connection speeds like this it seems that a better description of this endeavor would "waste of effort."

Re: Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

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Post by xenophanes » Thu, Jun 11, 2009, 11:55 PM UTC

dkasper wrote: post #5

TweedHeads wrote: post #2

Meantime, we suck... Thanks to BigTelcos

To be fair, also blame the fact that the area of the US is 25x that of Japan (10x if you count just the lower 48).

According to your figures, alaska + hawaii is 15x the size of japan, and thus 1.5x the size of the lower 48 states. that's wrong.

Re: Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

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Post by jibiki » Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 12:04 AM UTC

xenophanes wrote: post #7

dkasper wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, also blame the fact that the area of the US is 25x that of Japan (10x if you count just the lower 48).

According to your figures, alaska + hawaii is 15x the size of japan, and thus 1.5x the size of the lower 48 states. that's wrong.

(Hawaii: 28,311 km²)

Alaska: 1,717,854 km²

Other 48 states: 8,080,464.25 km²

Japan: 377,873 km²

Now we calculate:

(28,311+1,717,854+8,080,464.25)/377,873 = 26.0051108

8,080,464.25 / 377,873 = 21.3840741

So, the whole US is 25x, but "contiguous 48", as wikipedia calls them, are only 20x.

Re: Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

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Post by DenisM » Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 12:06 AM UTC

wmf wrote: post #4

How do people in Japan use their current 1 Gbps connections today? Are the ISPs making money or are they in some kind of government-subsidized fiber bubble? 1 Gbps is faster than a hard disk and 10 Gbps is faster than an SSD; this could change app design.

And it will. I signed up for the speedier FIOS (20/20) just so that future comes to my house a little quicker than others. This should give me a better shot at inventing the next bandwidth hog like YouTube.

Right now I'm thinking if it's worth it to buy a home server or just put everything into S3/JungleDisk. We're not quite there yet, but it's getting awfully close.

EDIT: read here on the emerging application paradigm http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2009/05/quick-history-...

Re: Japan Going to 10 Gigabit/s symmetrical internet access starting 2010

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Post by DenisM » Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 12:09 AM UTC

evgen wrote: post #6

The size of the pipe going out of your house does not matter if the upstream routers do not have #users x max_bandwidth available as well. Seeing as how state of the art equipment does not have enough bandwidth on the backplane to support even a small neighborhood with connection speeds like this it seems that a better description of this endeavor would "waste of effort."

... or "crazy fast neighborhood network", for some interesting definition of "neighborhood".