Interestingly all Abrahamic religions begin with a warning about the tree of knowledge... I still can't believe what a fucked up parable that is.
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Jewish Nobel Laureates
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#32By the way, has anyone come up with a possible explanation for the seemingly disproportionate number of Jewish laureates and smart people in general? Do Jews have some tradition or belief that's helpful in this?
Average IQ of 115 among the Ashkenazim. That's why. It's not really that interesting, but it enrages almost everyone who hears it. 115 isn't that smart, but it works out that they have a huge disproportion of members in the more important 145+ IQ range. Anyway, you'll find that Jews have similar numbers in such things as Fields medals, Senate seats, the Forbes 400, etc, all at about 15-25 percent of the total.
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#33Interestingly all Abrahamic religions begin with a warning about the tree of knowledge... I still can't believe what a fucked up parable that is.
The knowledge of good and evil, if I recall correctly. That might apply to the peace prize but probably not to the prizes in physics or chemistry.
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#34Interestingly all Abrahamic religions begin with a warning about the tree of knowledge... I still can't believe what a fucked up parable that is.
All Abrahamic religions? Islam does not call it the tree "of knowledge" and pursuit of knowledge is encouraged (at least in Islam).
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#35A related article was "Muslim nobel laureates". Total:10. I did some quick meaningless math, and found that there's 1 nobel prize winner for every 160 million muslims, and 1 for every 70,000 jews.
I'm not going to try and interpret the data, but I do think that's interesting.
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#36Interestingly all Abrahamic religions begin with a warning about the tree of knowledge... I still can't believe what a fucked up parable that is.
I'm pretty certain the story of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the expulsion from paradise is a parable about choosing between:
a) Happy but ignorant
b) Unhappy but well informed
and the fact that humans instinctively choose the second option. It's not a warning that knowledge is bad, it's just an acknowledgment that it's better to know the truth, even when the knowledge makes us feel worse.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Average IQ of 115 among the Ashkenazim. That's why. It's not really that interesting, but it enrages almost everyone who hears it. 115 isn't that smart, but it works out that they have a huge disproportion of members in the more important 145+ IQ range. Anyway, you'll find that Jews have similar numbers in such things as Fields medals, Senate seats, the Forbes 400, etc, all at about 15-25 percent of the total.
Sorry, you're not allowed to assign average IQs to racial groups anymore. Not since black Americans were found to be lower than whites. You have to attribute the anomalous test scores to the biases in the tests to be politically correct.
You might find the book Twice as Less interesting, it offers an interesting and researched explanation for the validity of the effect you're mocking.
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#38The Jewish culture has valued certain types of intelligence for centuries, and probably as a result their average IQ is measurably higher due to selection effects. If you assume it is outliers on the IQ spectrum that will win the prize, this isn't surprising at all. I'd guess that a big reason why people of the Jewish faith have been persecuted over the centuries is that because of their IQ advantage they gain more w…
am i reading this on hn? what are your sources? and what does jewish culture mean anyway when jewish people live in all continents in very different environments and of various descents? the reason why jewish people have accumulated more wealth may as well have nothing to do with their intelligence but merely because they support each other when they are in position of power and therefore raise the status of their communities.
please keep your blanket statements for some other place.
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#39A related article was "Muslim nobel laureates". Total:10. I did some quick meaningless math, and found that there's 1 nobel prize winner for every 160 million muslims, and 1 for every 70,000 jews. I'm not going to try and interpret the data, but I do think that's interesting.
While it doesn't change the argument, its important to note that Jewish carries a greater genetic specificity then Muslim.
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#40Very impressive indeed. There is a disproportionate ratio of Jewish people serving as CEOs of large corporations as well. I heard on Freakanomics radio that parenting and nurturing does not contribute much to the later success in life. Its the nature not nurture, they concluded. They used adoption data to come to that conclusion, although one can always find some argument against that study because its only an inductive argument in the end.