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Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

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Not just Asia, I've yet to find something that I need beyond XP for, and the US government uses XP everywhere. (though Firefox lack of mpeg4 support is annoying because we don't have windows media foundation on XP) Will grudgingly look at Windows 7 in 2014 when security fixes cease.

In one of my previous jobs(Sempra Energy), the work issue laptop had Vista logo, but the IT guys gut it and install XP. My current default desktop at DirecTV has XP, and I started my job last March.

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#53
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows XP extended support ends in April (2014). Having your computer hacked due to unpatched OS and browser should be worth paying to avoid. If you don't feel like paying, there's always linux distros, *bsd, nexenta OS... http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/default.aspx?LN=en-us...

This notion that there will suddenly be 5000 gazillion 0days as soon as XP loses support in April, and that as soon as you go on the Google homepage on May 1st, is ridiculous and absurd. I've been running unsupported XP SP2 on one of my older machines for over a year now. It's connected, runs applications, email, and internet services. No hacks, no worms, no rootkits, no nothing. Just use a good antivirus and you'll…

I think that if I had a 0day at this point, I'd wait until May to use it - exactly because the support ends and MS is unlikely to release a patch. Since lots of people will not care enough to upgrade, that could be a gold mine :)

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#54
post #17

What on earth does it mean to say "Windows XP with SP3 is 56.5 times more vulnerable than Windows 8 RTM" ? I guess it's this some attempt to quantify how often XP machines get infected vs Windows 8. But a good part of that is probably because XP users are less technically proficient than the kind of people who've upgraded to 8. If you're a CTO for a business then most of these details probably don't matter. All they…

According to Microsoft's research, 11.3% of Windows XP computers are infected compared to 0.2% of Windows 8_64 computers. That's 56.5 times more infected.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/security/archive/2013/08/06/the-r...

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#55
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows XP extended support ends in April (2014). Having your computer hacked due to unpatched OS and browser should be worth paying to avoid. If you don't feel like paying, there's always linux distros, *bsd, nexenta OS... http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/default.aspx?LN=en-us...

This notion that there will suddenly be 5000 gazillion 0days as soon as XP loses support in April, and that as soon as you go on the Google homepage on May 1st, is ridiculous and absurd. I've been running unsupported XP SP2 on one of my older machines for over a year now. It's connected, runs applications, email, and internet services. No hacks, no worms, no rootkits, no nothing. Just use a good antivirus and you'll…

It doesn't take 5000 gazillion; it only takes one.

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#56
post #45
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This notion that there will suddenly be 5000 gazillion 0days as soon as XP loses support in April, and that as soon as you go on the Google homepage on May 1st, is ridiculous and absurd. I've been running unsupported XP SP2 on one of my older machines for over a year now. It's connected, runs applications, email, and internet services. No hacks, no worms, no rootkits, no nothing. Just use a good antivirus and you'll…

Just curious. How can one be sure that there is no worms or rootkits installed?

Sysinternal utilities for me.

They even created the original rootkit detector.

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#57
post #17

What on earth does it mean to say "Windows XP with SP3 is 56.5 times more vulnerable than Windows 8 RTM" ? I guess it's this some attempt to quantify how often XP machines get infected vs Windows 8. But a good part of that is probably because XP users are less technically proficient than the kind of people who've upgraded to 8. If you're a CTO for a business then most of these details probably don't matter. All they…

According to Microsoft's research, 11.3% of Windows XP computers are infected compared to 0.2% of Windows 8_64 computers. That's 56.5 times more infected. http://blogs.technet.com/b/security/archive/2013/08/06/the-r...

Thanks for the source.

I think using that that something is "more vulnerable" is misleading though. Do we really think that 8_32 is 4 times more vulnerable than 8_64? Isn't it more likely that 64-bit users are less likely to run random malware?

Of course I definitely agree that XP is "less secure" and everyone should be planning to move away from it. But for a well-managed corporate network it just doesn't seem like such a big deal as MS are making out.

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#58
post #3

For the avg user that only needs internet, office, and music/movies Windows XP is good enough. What does Vista/7/8 offer a person using a Pentium 4 level computer? Nothing really worth paying for. I am surprised MS doesn't get more credit for XP which could be seen as a relativity dependable workhorse. Problem is for MS of course they ended the need for the users to upgrade.

I should add that XP also came out at a time when PCs were starting to come to a point that upgrading hardware began to offer only diminishing returns to this same set of people. P4 and first dual cores are fast enough to run the same 3 main things, net/office/music&movies with out being annoyingly slow (assuming you had a gig or more of ram). So perfect storm of good enough hardware and software.

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#59
post #22
post #18

Time to upgrade to GNU/Linux! :)

I could just imagine that conversation with my CTO... Me: CTO, we're switching to Linux instead of Windows 7 CTO: Great! How much functionality will we lose with our applications? Me: All of it! CTO: Let's do it!

CEO: Haven't you two heard of Wine, ReactOS, CodeWeavers?

Re: Millions in Asia still on Windows XP

#60
post #44

South Korea's dependence on Windows seems to continue; I wonder how much is related to SEED, the weird crypto-via-ActiveX implementation that's held them hostage all these years. ( http://kanai.net/weblog/archive/2007/01/26/00h53m55s )

That post is from 2007, are they STILL stuck with this?

Yep. It's hard to make that sort of hack just 'go away' without sunsetting most of Korea's e-commerce sites. At least as of last year, it was important enough to be mentioned as an election issue in Nov. 2012:

http://www.geek.com/news/korean-presidential-hopeful-pledges...

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