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Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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And who can't love VB for getting shit done (at least back in the day). Though I can see if we are just focusing on the language.

If VB6/VBA weren't coupled to the god awful IDEs and completely unversionable/patchable binary formats of their applications, it would be a pretty decent programming language. It's persisted - absurdly - in spite of those crippling issues.

The VB6 IDE was Ok for 1998, but 1998 was a long time ago.

I still use VB6/VBA to get shit done, but only because I have a bunch of code & tools I've already written in or for it. I can see how it would be pretty useless to most people.

Registry-free COM has solved all of the versioning issues for me.

Language-wise, I find it's limitations to be its strength - kind of like ouilipo for programming.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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In my very uninformed, and novice opinion, which you should entirely disregard, it is my probably incorrect estimation that the Rust developers are in maybe over their heads. I don't like saying negative things about an interesting idea, good engineers who mean well, so I don't like this so please someone convince me why I'm wrong. A few things: The multiple ways to manage memory seem completely messy to me, the vari…

> The multiple ways to manage memory seem completely messy to me, the various ways to box values and what not and what the implications are. It's not pretty, it's not elegant, but then sometimes things aren't. I'm complaining about prettiness over usefulness somewhere else in this thread. But the box memory model thing left me feeling like it was a convoluted solution that could end up in confusion. Rust is also the…

Thanks for the response. I do hope Rust becomes what it wants to be. :)

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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post #63

In my very uninformed, and novice opinion, which you should entirely disregard, it is my probably incorrect estimation that the Rust developers are in maybe over their heads. I don't like saying negative things about an interesting idea, good engineers who mean well, so I don't like this so please someone convince me why I'm wrong. A few things: The multiple ways to manage memory seem completely messy to me, the vari…

> The multiple ways to manage memory seem completely messy to me, the various ways to box values and what not and what the implications are. It's not pretty, it's not elegant, but then sometimes things aren't. I'm complaining about prettiness over usefulness somewhere else in this thread. But the box memory model thing left me feeling like it was a convoluted solution that could end up in confusion. Rust is also the…

Thanks for the response. I do hope Rust becomes what it wants to be. :)

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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It's near unreadable. It's optimizing the wrong things, prettiness (I don't think it's very pretty at all) and keystroke counts, vs readability, fewer errors and maintainability. It also bugs the fuck out of me that CoffeeScript projects frequently end up being given a *.js extension in the name and how often people who want nothing in the world to do with CoffeeScript, people like me, end up having to deal with it f…

>It also bugs the fuck out of me that CoffeeScript projects frequently end up being given a *.js extension If a project compiles down to Javascript and is intended to be used as such, a .js name suits it regardless of the source language.

Well since you can compile python, clojure, etc etc to JavaScript I guess the .js extension is meaningless. In my opinion it isn't at all OK, because a .js extension means that the code is in JavaScript, so that I can look at it, and maybe contribute. I'm not interested in CoffeeScript widgetmajigs that turn CoffeeScript into JavaScript. Use .coffee or maybe CoffeeScript just can't stand on its own. Maybe it's just riding JS's coattails and the moment it separates it becomes abandoned.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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You can tell this is a bullshit poll by how many people like C. Don't get me wrong, it's a great language, but there's no way there are that many people programming in C. It has as many likes as JavaScript. Rather, people just voted C because it's a favorite language and it usually has positive press around Hacker News. So people vote what's popular and hip, despite probably having never stepped out of their web deve…

>>but there's no way there are that many people programming in C

Do you have any idea how many embedded systems and performance related software is written every year?

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Not all. Lisp doesn't claim to be better (it is often argued that it's worse). But what Lisp does right, it's meta programming, therefore letting the plain programmer improve the language himself. So while as you suggest, all programming language will have warts and stumbling blocks, possibly deal breaker problems, that you can't do anything about, in Lisp, you can always and usually very easily overcome them yoursel…

What if the "deal breaker problem" is all of the parentheses? ;)

No one who seriously gives Lisp a chance ends up disliking it because of the parens. It's about as reasonable as disliking C/C++ because of semi-colons. It's a superficial thing to criticize because you obviously haven't actually given the language a shot.
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