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Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by V-2 »

stinos wrote: post #149
V-2 wrote: post #62

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Collections in Java are awful. Guava helps a bit, but it's still poor man's substitute. No LINQ, no lambdas (and the upcoming Java streams API is ugly as well), no delegates, no events. Verbosity. C# is a very nice language, only WPF sucks big time.

Used WPF a couple of times, not that bad at all? What exactly do you think can be improved? Are there alternatives to it?

See http://stackoverflow.com/a/4120034/168719 - that's the highest rated answer for the question "What is the simplest way to bind a group of 3 radiobuttons to a property of type int for values 1, 2, or 3?" Do I really need to say more :) Or http://blog.wouldbetheologian.com/2009/07/why-wpf-databindin... or http://paulstovell.com/blog/six-years-of-wpf - he also raises an important point: WPF never made any significant progress. I'm under impression that I've once seen a better article that sums it all up (consistently with my own experience), but I can't find it now, so these will have to do

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Post by netcraft »

kbd wrote: post #324
netcraft wrote: post #58

im curious what people dislike about groovy. I haven't tried it much but it seemed like a decent language and good alternative to java. I wasn't thrilled with the availability of frameworks for it, but that was about the only complaint I really had.

I'm also surprised at the dislike for Groovy. When I looked at it, it seemed to be roughly on par with Python or Ruby, with some nice features unique to Groovy. Of course, there's the limitation that it only runs on the JVM. Maybe it suffers from the following thought process: many people who want a rapid development language and would be interested in Python or Ruby aren't interested in running on the JVM, and peopl…

perhaps. I was interested in it because the jvm is appealing to me (performance and the sheer volume of available, tested libraries), but I dont want to write java boilerplate and groovy seems to have some cool dynamic language features.

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Post by asdasf »

sequoia wrote: post #280
asdasf wrote: post #120

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>Anyone who disagrees with me is just ignorant! Do you have any evidence to support that notion? I find it quite the opposite. People who spent a decade being forced to use PHP know the language well, and dislike it. People who have never bothered to learn and just keep making the same mistakes over and over again defend PHP fervently, despite being almost entirely ignorant of the problems with the language.

>I'll invent a position from whole cloth then present it as a quote the parent comment to turn him into a straw man, then I'll have a debate with that straw man. Then I'll kick a puppy! Why would you do that? If you read my comment you'll note that I said " many hands go up" " most hands go down." I'm not saying everyone who dislikes PHP hasn't used it, merely that there's a large number of people here who dogpile on…

You didn't address my comment at all. You are making the baseless claim that most criticism of PHP is out of ignorance. I am countering your baseless claim with a baseless claim of my own: that most defense of PHP is out of ignorance, and most criticism is out of knowledge. Linking to you whining about people disliking PHP does not support your claim.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by asdasf »

camus wrote: post #199
asdasf wrote: post #144

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If that is your point, than you really failed to support it. Obviously you can do stuff in PHP. You could have done all that stuff in any scripting language. The closest thing to a benefit you listed was "we already had PHP installed on a server". If that is your best sales pitch, you should stop trying to sell it and let others take on that role.

My point was speed of development deployement,but you're not smart enough to get it whatever language you use.

No, your point was:

>My point is you can hate PHP all you want it is a great tool that has its place in enterprise envirronement.

Go back and read your post. Now if you want to deflect the criticism that you did not support your point by pretending you had a different point, you are again failing in the same way. Every scripting language has equal or better "speed of development deployement" compared to PHP. Saying "PHP might be a giant pile of crap, but at least you can write stuff in it" only works if you can't write stuff in other languages. But obviously you can. If you want to claim PHP has a role, then state that role clearly, and support the claim with evidence. You need to show that PHP is in some way better than the alternatives.

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Post by alexkehayias »

Interesting seeing the high likes and dislikes for coffeescript. Recently there have been a few articles about xyz moving to JavaScript from coffee and how it writes non performant code. I still find JavaScript hard to write without libraries and remembering specific gotchas that coffeescript takes care of without me thinking about.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by [deleted] »

Kesty wrote: post #229
hugofirth wrote: post #154

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The point is that the opinion of someone who has used a language and platform is of inherently more value when judging said platform than the opinion of someone who is coming from a position of total ignorance. In this sense your statement is a logical fallacy.

Actually not in a case like this. This is not a pool for finding what is the "Best Language" (best language for what ?), but a pool to find what languages programmers like or dislike. That is a matter of personal taste and opinion and there is not a wrong or a right answer. Obviously if you have never seen or used or looked at the language you shouldn't vote on what other people say, but you don't really need to know…

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Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by emil0r »

jcheng wrote: post #337
informatimago wrote: post #93

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Not all. Lisp doesn't claim to be better (it is often argued that it's worse). But what Lisp does right, it's meta programming, therefore letting the plain programmer improve the language himself. So while as you suggest, all programming language will have warts and stumbling blocks, possibly deal breaker problems, that you can't do anything about, in Lisp, you can always and usually very easily overcome them yoursel…

What if the "deal breaker problem" is all of the parentheses? ;)

Given all the weird syntax people put up with in other languages I don't really get the complaint.

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by tlrobinson »

alexkehayias wrote: post #406

Interesting seeing the high likes and dislikes for coffeescript. Recently there have been a few articles about xyz moving to JavaScript from coffee and how it writes non performant code. I still find JavaScript hard to write without libraries and remembering specific gotchas that coffeescript takes care of without me thinking about.

I don't buy the "non performant code" argument. For the majority of applications it's not going to make a difference, and even stuff like an audio codec can be written in CoffeeScript: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3371171

Re: Poll: What are your liked and disliked programming languages?

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Post by [deleted] »

alexkehayias wrote: post #406

Interesting seeing the high likes and dislikes for coffeescript. Recently there have been a few articles about xyz moving to JavaScript from coffee and how it writes non performant code. I still find JavaScript hard to write without libraries and remembering specific gotchas that coffeescript takes care of without me thinking about.

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