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Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by jnorthrop »

johnyzee wrote: post #42
calvin wrote: post #2

My favorite line: "...the [social media] experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule."

Idiots rule our countries. Why would online be any different? (Not being snide - wherever you look, politicians seem to unfailingly be raping and making a mockery of the democratic system. I may be slightly more cynical than usual as we discussed Berlusconi at lunch today, though). Does anyone have good real-world examples of the the kind of communities we would like to see online? I'd like to hope that degeneration…

Here is a good one: http://news.ycombinator.com

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by pmorici »

johnyzee wrote: post #42
calvin wrote: post #2

My favorite line: "...the [social media] experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule."

Idiots rule our countries. Why would online be any different? (Not being snide - wherever you look, politicians seem to unfailingly be raping and making a mockery of the democratic system. I may be slightly more cynical than usual as we discussed Berlusconi at lunch today, though). Does anyone have good real-world examples of the the kind of communities we would like to see online? I'd like to hope that degeneration…

I've always thought the degradation into idiocracy happened when people felt like they were anonymous which often times is correlated to the size of the community.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by antidaily »

ghshephard wrote: post #4

Is anybody surprised that, with 600K+ followers, many of whom are already self-selected as "edgy" or "alternate" that some small percentage of them wouldn't be absolutely manical raving lunatics? Trent could probably solve some of this with technology and create a self-policing environment, in which a core group of half-sane fans could administrate/police/censor to the betterment of all - There's a reason why Wikiped…

Yeah. He seems destined to be murdered by a "fan". Yikes, no wonder he's tuning out.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by pmorici »

froo wrote: post #25
adrianwaj wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite right, and that's got a lot to do with NIN's style of music. You wouldn't expect Lionel Ritchie to experience the same thing if he emulated Reznor online. He'd probably get some middle-aged air-heads but no suicidal mischief-makers.

You wouldn't expect Lionel Ritchie to experience the same thing if he emulated Reznor online. Well, having been on the receiving end of something I thought I'd share my experience. There are raving lunatic fans all around the place, regardless of what genre the artists are in. During the campaign to get Rick Astley voted as Best Act Ever for last years MTV Europe Music Awards, I started receiving large volumes of hat…

On the other hand don't some things need to be said anonymously or they will never be said, I'm thinking esp. in the realm of political opinion for example.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by AndrewO »

iamelgringo wrote: post #3

One thought after reading this: Troll filtering is a big, wide open market.

Reading it, I couldn't help but think: I wonder what happened to Utu[1]. The site, http://savingtheinternetwithhate.com/ appears to be dead. Kinda sad.

(BTW, this is not meant to be flamebait either way about Zed Shaw. I thought it was an interesting project and it came to mind reading this.)

[1](http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/ragel_state_charts.html)

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by mlLK »

Given Trent's recent sentiments on Web2.0 I took it upon myself to transcribe his feelings to you by rewriting the chorus for his first smash hit, Head Like A Hole from the album Pretty Hate Machine.

   web two point oh
   black as your soul
   he'd rather die than give trolls control
[orig] http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nine+inch+nails/head+like+a+hol...

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by greengirl512 »

mishmash wrote: post #13
rms wrote: post #11

Funny, I just saw him play tonight. He always puts on a good show. He's from Pittsburgh and we got a particularly good setlist. http://twitter.com/trent_reznor/status/2049368290 probably sums up Trent's feelings in a tweet.

Anonymity isn't the problem. The problem is that Trent's mind still cares enough about what other people think of him that it is consumed by the act of surveying his status and trying to please the please-able. That's a dead end. Instead, I suggest that at least on a personal level, we should let go and try to realize that nothing* really matters online. As you begin to welcome anonymity, a certain type of apathy app…

I don't know...the impression I got was that what really got under his skin wasn't so much the attacks on him as it was the attacks on people he cared about-like his fiancee and the guy who needs the heart transplant that he was trying to help. It's easier to let anonymous attacks slide if they are just directed against you, but it's different when people start directing their venom at other people because you care about them.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by froo »

johnyzee wrote: post #42
calvin wrote: post #2

My favorite line: "...the [social media] experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule."

Idiots rule our countries. Why would online be any different? (Not being snide - wherever you look, politicians seem to unfailingly be raping and making a mockery of the democratic system. I may be slightly more cynical than usual as we discussed Berlusconi at lunch today, though). Does anyone have good real-world examples of the the kind of communities we would like to see online? I'd like to hope that degeneration…

Does anyone have good real-world examples of the the kind of communities we would like to see online?

Well, I'll give a fairly decent example.

I occasionally played tabletop wargames in the past locally and we have a statewide forum dedicated to it.

http://www.westgamer.com

I've seen disagreements before on the forum, but have never seen anything that would constitute trolling or abusive behaviour. I think this stems from the fact that everyone pretty much knows everyone outside of the forums and so idiotic behaviour can have real-world consequences (eg, not being able to set up games with others)

There is little to no anonymity on those forums and so everyone is quite civil. I suspect that if you make people responsible for their actions that they end up being quite responsible on the forums.

That's not to say there hasn't been the occasional piece of drama, it's just normally localised and doesn't make its way to the forums for everyone to read.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by ScottWhigham »

snorkel wrote: post #49
ScottWhigham wrote: post #23

Am I the only one that gets a little pissy thinking that this is nothing but pure content thievery? There was a sum total TWO paragraphs of OC there - the rest was a re-post of Trent's entire post. A link would have sufficed. A couple of quotes would've been fine but the whole post? That's content theft as far as I'm concerned.

Although Trent Reznor is not some poor blogger needing ad revenue and so he probably wouldn't mind his missives being rebroadcast verbatim.

I don't see how that matters. Theft is theft, isn't it? The flip side could be that, since Trent Reznor is an important name, he could feel the need to stand up for all the little guys who get their content stolen yet can't afford to do anything about it.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Post by ScottWhigham »

bartl wrote: post #43
ScottWhigham wrote: post #23

Am I the only one that gets a little pissy thinking that this is nothing but pure content thievery? There was a sum total TWO paragraphs of OC there - the rest was a re-post of Trent's entire post. A link would have sufficed. A couple of quotes would've been fine but the whole post? That's content theft as far as I'm concerned.

> A link would have sufficed. Maybe it was self protection against edits or deletion for the original post.

And maybe I need the source code to Windows just in case they change something that I didn't want them to change.
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