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Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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"new scientist" etc also play this role. Though fairly accurate as far as it goes, it is pop-science. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1777

There's another great one from SMBC about how to tell the difference between a math enthusiast from a mathematician. I won't try to find it since I'm on mobile, but it's just as good.

See also "You're not a nerd, geeks are not sexy, and you don't 'fucking love' science" about the "I fucking love science" facebook page.

http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=youre_not_a_nerd

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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post #68

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"new scientist" etc also play this role. Though fairly accurate as far as it goes, it is pop-science. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1777

There's another great one from SMBC about how to tell the difference between a math enthusiast from a mathematician. I won't try to find it since I'm on mobile, but it's just as good.

This one? http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2320#comic

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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"IMO, this is what appeals to many about HN....the desire to find share-worthy things that will help cement their image as the smart person within their social group." Don't forget those of us who come to HN primarily to post comments about why the linked article is obviously stupid and wrong, or is right but just saying things that we've been aware of for a while now.

I've been saying this for a while now.

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Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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I have heard the genre (which includes Malcolm Gladwell, Jonah Lehrer, the Freakonomics guys and Jared Diamond) described as "insight porn". The idea is to deliver small chunks of insight that is just counter-intuitive enough to be novel, but not so counter-intuitive that we can't take it at face value. It's a market that's developed in response to the fact that nerds are addicted to feeling like they're just a littl…

the destructive thing about this style of writing[1] isn't that the readers like to feel smart or superior to others; the destructive thing about it is that instead of distilling research with an aim to convey useful information, he distills that research with an aim to find the most shocking or counterintuitive possibility, even if the evidence isn't really strong enough to support an 'extraordinary claim' You actually get dumber (well, not dumber, but you gain incorrect models, which can make you look and act dumber) from reading Gladwell's work.

Really, though, I'd argue that most business books I've read had a similar feel. 99% bullshit, and the 1% based on actual science is often based on very shaky evidence.

[1]Gladwell's style is pretty familiar if you've read many business books. Very light, very easy to read; it sounds very authoritative, but is at best 99% fluff and 1% actual solid information. When the fluff is actual fluff (case studies, etc...) so long as you find it entertaining, there's no harm. The problem comes when the fluff is demonstrably incorrect and contributes to you making real-world poor decisions.

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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I have heard the genre (which includes Malcolm Gladwell, Jonah Lehrer, the Freakonomics guys and Jared Diamond) described as "insight porn". The idea is to deliver small chunks of insight that is just counter-intuitive enough to be novel, but not so counter-intuitive that we can't take it at face value. It's a market that's developed in response to the fact that nerds are addicted to feeling like they're just a littl…

Here in Brazil, people love to cite Gladwell 10k hours like he is a GOD. In a recent startup accelerator demo day it was cited by both a famous entrepreneur and a journalist. I always cringe when I see it cited as pure truth and in a bad context. My conclusion is people do it do sound cool and smarter. The "insight porn" was spot on.

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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post #91

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There's another great one from SMBC about how to tell the difference between a math enthusiast from a mathematician. I won't try to find it since I'm on mobile, but it's just as good.

See also "You're not a nerd, geeks are not sexy, and you don't 'fucking love' science" about the "I fucking love science" facebook page. http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=youre_not_a_nerd

About time a Maddox reference made it on here! Though is not quite the Gladwell type, his insights are interesting and had quite a few geeks visiting his site. Matter of fact it was a popular pastime during our CS Lab when our brains were fried from coding.

So, sure this stuff isn't science, but the Gladwell types also give "cultural context" to many geeks I know.

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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The problem with popular science books is that they are written by journalists untrained in science. It should be scientists who write popular works. There are several scientists who have written great works which are neither difficult, nor dumbed down - for example, Steinhaus' "Mathematical Snapshots", Einstein and Infeld's "The Evolution of Physics", Schrodinger's "What is life?" and even delightful works such as F…

I've heard good things about Hawking's books as well, although haven't read any yet.

Don't waste your time. His books are just horribly misleading. After reading them you won't come out with any better knowledge about what is actually going on, in fact you might even be worse off. He throws around lots of technical jargon without any attempt to actually explain (relying instead on layman reader's wrong intuitions) what those words mean in the context of theoretical physics and you can really see just how hard he tries to make it all mysterious to impress the "common man" and give him enough illusion of understanding so he doesn't stop reading. But hey, that sells books! Although he's not the only scientist who does this, he's become in my mind a prototype for such deceitful behavior.

Feynman's approach was as good as it gets when it comes to popularizing physics, so your best bet are his popular books. And if you have some working calculus knowledge you should just read his Lectures on Physics to get to understand pretty much all of physics up to and not including QFT and General Relativity.

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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post #13

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The problem with popular science books is that they are written by journalists untrained in science. It should be scientists who write popular works. There are several scientists who have written great works which are neither difficult, nor dumbed down - for example, Steinhaus' "Mathematical Snapshots", Einstein and Infeld's "The Evolution of Physics", Schrodinger's "What is life?" and even delightful works such as F…

I've heard good things about Hawking's books as well, although haven't read any yet.

Almost nobody has. Oh yes, we've all got them, but we haven't read them.

Re: Should we stop believing Malcolm Gladwell?

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So you're saying, then, that there are no differences between those that choose to attend a public college and those that attend an elite university? That those two groups of people wouldn't perform differently in studies focused on performance? That is nonsense.

He isn't saying that at all. I think his main point is you are talking crap (though he articulated it much better than I have). And Princeton (in undergrad) isn't "intellectually" elite, it is financially elite. I don't think you can derive anything about student "ambitiousness" just from how wealthy they are, and wealth is pretty much the only thing that separates Princeton undergrad student from a public college st…

He is saying that. Further, it doesn't appear that we're talking about the same Princeton. From http://abt.cm/GOXrfh :

"Princeton University is one of the most selective colleges in the country.....Most students who got into Princeton had GPAs close to a 4.0, SAT scores (CR+M+W) above 2100, and ACT composite scores above 30......many students with a 4.0 GPA and extremely high standardized test scores get rejected from Princeton. For this reason, even strong students should consider Princeton a reach school."

The results of the two studies at issue here can be swayed dramatically by the type of students participating, and each study in fact looked at two dramatically different groups of students - one matching the criteria above and one being a public college in Canada. Yet both of you have taken the position that the results of one cancels out the results of the other. You are, quite simply, wrong.

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