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Re: You can increase your intelligence

#91

Most of us on HN have enough intelligence. Other qualities (focus, dedication, ambition, sociability) will have much greater impact on our success in life.

Yes, it's been known for a while that IQ works in a "good enough" fashion -- once it's good enough there are so many other things more important. A good example is of course Einstein, which was tested and had a normal IQ.

This is wrong. As you move up the ladder to more and more intellectually demanding jobs, the median IQ gets higher and higher, even as the fraction of the population with such an IQ falls off exponentially. Yes, there are other important factors. And yes, if you have low conscientiousness then there will be diminishing returns going from high to very high IQ. But there is no threshold, and IQ remains the largest single predictive factor for success by far.

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#92
It amuses me that even in today's times we believe that IQ = intelligence. Not true. All it requires is some practice. That doesn't make you intelligent. I mean "Einstein intelligent" :). Every few days I read the news anyway "This child has an IQ more than that of Einstein". Oh well. No wonder. He used his mind at better places than solving some puzzles "fast" enough.

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#93

I've always been surprised people thought any different, given the content of IQ tests. Is basically just puzzles and you usually get much better at puzzles if you do them all the time.

IQ tests are very robust. The correlation between scores is greater than 0.9. These working memory results are usually good for just a few extra IQ points (as in, literally 2 or 3), and they are far and away the largest boosts people have been able to induce through training.

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#94

Every day, I train my memory by memorizing a pack of cards. I started because I had lousy memory and I wanted to improve it. I have been going at it for a few weeks now, memorizing and shuffling a deck of cards (twice a day). I can now memorize a deck of cards in just a little over 3 minutes (I started at a painful 19 minutes). Have I noticed am improvement in my memory? Yes, and much much more. What I've come to rea…

Ooh, anecdote time! As an experiment, many years ago I memorized the first book of paradise lost:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_1/inde...

...at the start, two or four lines a day. At the end? Two or four lines a day. Nothing improved. But I did memorize the whole goddamned thing.

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#95
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I almost never misplace my things (keys, wallet, etc) anymore. Mind blocks like, "what was the company's name? I used to know it...", happens less frequently and I can recollect facts much faster. Most importantly though, I have seen a dramatic improvement in the speed I learn and understand things." This piqued my interest. I find myself forgetting simple things all the time and it's very unsettling given that I'm…

I started here: http://www.memrise.com/course/44056/the-10k-memory-competiti... Memrise helped me get me off my feet, and then I created my own objects/actions for each card because I had no idea who half of those people are.

The thing that's always confused me about the "story" approach to memorising is what happens the next time you do it. Isn't the previous story still there in your memory, contradicting and interfering with any new one?

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#96
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started here: http://www.memrise.com/course/44056/the-10k-memory-competiti... Memrise helped me get me off my feet, and then I created my own objects/actions for each card because I had no idea who half of those people are.

The thing that's always confused me about the "story" approach to memorising is what happens the next time you do it. Isn't the previous story still there in your memory, contradicting and interfering with any new one?

I was worried about the same thing when I started. What I found out is that the most recent memory is much much fresher than the past, and its very rare that you will mix up stories from the past with the ones you just memorized. Seems like our memories has a time dimension to it.

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#98
As gwern points out in his meta-analysis of Dual N-Back [1], and his Dual N-Back FAQ [2], the results of Dual N-Back have been very mixed. Some studies show massive improvement. Other studies show minor improvement, while some studies show no improvement at all. It is by no means clear in the literature that Dual N-Back actually helps more than an active placebo.

    This is very damaging to the case that dual n-back increases IQ. Not only do the
    better studies find a drastically smaller effect, they are not sufficiently 
    powered to find such a small effect at all, even aggregated in a meta-analysis, 
    with a power of ~11%, which is dismal indeed when compared to the usual 
    benchmark of 80%, and leads to worries that even that is too high an estimate 
    and that the active control studies are aberrant somehow in being subject to a 
    winner’s curse or subject to other biases. (Because most studies used convenient 
    passive control groups and the passive effect size is 3x larger, they in 
    aggregate are very well-powered: 94%; however, we already know how they are 
    skewed upwards, so we don’t care if we can detect a biased effect or not.) In 
    particular, Boot et al 2013 argues that active control groups do not suffice to 
    identify the true causal effect because the subjects in the active control group 
    can still have different expectations than the experimental group, and the 
    group’ differing awareness & expectations can cause differing performance on 
    tests; they suggest recording expectancies (somewhat similar to Redick et al 
    2013), checking for a dose-response relationship (see the following section for 
    whether dose-response exists for dual n-back/IQ), and using different 
    experimental designs which actively manipulate subject expectations to identify 
    how much effects are inflated by remaining placebo/expectancy effects.
That said, there isn't any evidence of harm, either, so at worst, you'll waste your time if it doesn't work out for you.

[1] http://www.gwern.net/DNB%20meta-analysis [2] http://www.gwern.net/DNB%20FAQ

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#99
post #52

Every day, I train my memory by memorizing a pack of cards. I started because I had lousy memory and I wanted to improve it. I have been going at it for a few weeks now, memorizing and shuffling a deck of cards (twice a day). I can now memorize a deck of cards in just a little over 3 minutes (I started at a painful 19 minutes). Have I noticed am improvement in my memory? Yes, and much much more. What I've come to rea…

How did you decide to embark on this challenge? Do you have any online resources that you can link to so we can learn more?

There are some excellent books by Harry Lorayne that are still available. I got my fix in this department some 30+ years ago in high school. Great stuff.

Re: You can increase your intelligence

#100
The author says roughly "I helped many kids raise their IQ"; there is nothing novel about that, it is well established that intervention has large effects on IQ in children, but most of those effects have disappeared by the time they are 18.
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