Funny, I just saw him play tonight. He always puts on a good show. He's from Pittsburgh and we got a particularly good setlist.
http://twitter.com/trent_reznor/status/2049368290 probably sums up Trent's feelings in a tweet.
Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
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Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#12Is anybody surprised that, with 600K+ followers, many of whom are already self-selected as "edgy" or "alternate" that some small percentage of them wouldn't be absolutely manical raving lunatics? Trent could probably solve some of this with technology and create a self-policing environment, in which a core group of half-sane fans could administrate/police/censor to the betterment of all - There's a reason why Wikiped…
Anonymity seems to play a larger role than the size of the group. Join any moderately active IRC channel and you are sure to see someone acting up eventually. A channel that I frequent with fewer than 50 people has a regular troll that bugs the channel almost daily and occasional racists.
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#13Funny, I just saw him play tonight. He always puts on a good show. He's from Pittsburgh and we got a particularly good setlist. http://twitter.com/trent_reznor/status/2049368290 probably sums up Trent's feelings in a tweet.
Anonymity isn't the problem. The problem is that Trent's mind still cares enough about what other people think of him that it is consumed by the act of surveying his status and trying to please the please-able.
That's a dead end.
Instead, I suggest that at least on a personal level, we should let go and try to realize that nothing* really matters online.
As you begin to welcome anonymity, a certain type of apathy appears. You may even surprise yourself that you don't actually care that some troll just told you to "an hero" or whatever else it is they're bringing.
Although we're not funded yet, my startup is working on bringing the ideas of anonymity (along with privacy/security) to the mainstream.
We believe, that for many, many use cases, identity simply doesn't matter.
*mostly ;)
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#14Is anybody surprised that, with 600K+ followers, many of whom are already self-selected as "edgy" or "alternate" that some small percentage of them wouldn't be absolutely manical raving lunatics? Trent could probably solve some of this with technology and create a self-policing environment, in which a core group of half-sane fans could administrate/police/censor to the betterment of all - There's a reason why Wikiped…
Quite right, and that's got a lot to do with NIN's style of music. You wouldn't expect Lionel Ritchie to experience the same thing if he emulated Reznor online. He'd probably get some middle-aged air-heads but no suicidal mischief-makers.
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're on a version way past 1... that has been the result for many years now. The second person on the Internet was probably a troll.
I saw this youtube video of an early 90s broadcast about this thing called internet, and they pretty much talked about how great it is to have a civilized conversation, without trolls. So early on it wasn't a problem, my guess is that trolls probably didn't really appear until AOL.
I remember this story about a psychologist who pretented to be a woman, and I don't remember exactly who, or where, but it was in a movie about the net beginnings...
Found... don't know if it counts as a troll, tough: Google for "The Strange Case of the Electronic Lover"
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're on a version way past 1... that has been the result for many years now. The second person on the Internet was probably a troll.
I saw this youtube video of an early 90s broadcast about this thing called internet, and they pretty much talked about how great it is to have a civilized conversation, without trolls. So early on it wasn't a problem, my guess is that trolls probably didn't really appear until AOL.
Specifically, on the Internet, when AOL got a Usenet gateway. No-one cared when they stayed within AOL, not least because AOL had moderators.
The real Internet is not HN, it's not Facebook or Livejournal. It's 4chan and the comments on Youtube. That's what we built, that's the glorious future, the pinnacle of high tech, the global collective consciousness. How proud should we be?
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#17Funny, I just saw him play tonight. He always puts on a good show. He's from Pittsburgh and we got a particularly good setlist. http://twitter.com/trent_reznor/status/2049368290 probably sums up Trent's feelings in a tweet.
Anonymity isn't the problem. The problem is that Trent's mind still cares enough about what other people think of him that it is consumed by the act of surveying his status and trying to please the please-able. That's a dead end. Instead, I suggest that at least on a personal level, we should let go and try to realize that nothing* really matters online. As you begin to welcome anonymity, a certain type of apathy app…
I'd stand by my identity consistently if it meant revealing the identities of others.
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I saw this youtube video of an early 90s broadcast about this thing called internet, and they pretty much talked about how great it is to have a civilized conversation, without trolls. So early on it wasn't a problem, my guess is that trolls probably didn't really appear until AOL.
Specifically, on the Internet , when AOL got a Usenet gateway. No-one cared when they stayed within AOL, not least because AOL had moderators. The real Internet is not HN, it's not Facebook or Livejournal. It's 4chan and the comments on Youtube. That's what we built, that's the glorious future, the pinnacle of high tech, the global collective consciousness. How proud should we be?
How did you decide what counts as the real Internet?
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
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I think that's just the result of version 1.
We're on a version way past 1... that has been the result for many years now. The second person on the Internet was probably a troll.
I agree.
For me version one would have been usenet, FidoNet and BBS chat circa late 80s or early 90s. I knew then what Trent has finally figured out. Sounds like he really is "living next" to us.
Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anonymity isn't the problem. The problem is that Trent's mind still cares enough about what other people think of him that it is consumed by the act of surveying his status and trying to please the please-able. That's a dead end. Instead, I suggest that at least on a personal level, we should let go and try to realize that nothing* really matters online. As you begin to welcome anonymity, a certain type of apathy app…
I'd stand by my identity consistently if it meant revealing the identities of others.
Your life and circumstance may allow for this, others don't. :)