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Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by dragonwriter »

Osmium wrote: post #40
alrs wrote: post #7

Hemingway said that one goes broke "gradually, then suddenly." I hope the same thing is happening to Windows marketshare. I hope the same thing is happening to iOS. edit: Note that I said "marketshare." I'm not wishing bankruptcy on Apple and Microsoft. It would be a weird desire.

If we have to have corporate oversight to get a decent OS, then I'd rather one I pay (e.g. Apple for iOS) than one I don't (e.g. Google for Android/Chrome OS). I want to be the customer, not the product being sold. Even if that's not what you want, choice is still a good thing: without choice, we have vendor lock-in and stagnation of ideas. To pick an example, I think the mobile ecosystem would be a lot better right…

> If we have to have corporate oversight to get a decent OS, then I'd rather one I pay (e.g. Apple for iOS) than one I don't (e.g. Google for Android/Chrome OS). I want to be the customer, not the product being sold.

For branded Android/ChromeOS, AFAIK, you are paying Google for it the same way you pay for prebundled Windows. Insofar as the OS cost is discounted because you are an advertising target for Google, that's not that different from Windows PCs where the OS cost is offset because you are crapware target for third-party business partners of the system vendor.

And advertising revenue, isn't, I think, the only motivation for the low cost of consumer ChromeOS; low-cost consumer ChromeOS is the lever for building acceptance, knowledge base, and build a base of apps to motivate institutional sales of ChromeOS (sort of the way that getting Apple computers into schools was always a way to build commercial consumer and business markets for them.)

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by andrewcooke »

aperture wrote: post #47

Woah, this is the kind of developing book I'd like: 6 hrs battery life IPS viewing display (without 1080p!) Mirousb universal charging cable 11 inch portability, weighing only 2lbs. I have the acer c7 chromebook, and am really fustrated I can't simply trade it in for this chromebook. It really is one of the most appealing deals. HN has also recently been talking about crouton, which I found very usable. The biggest i…

are you aware of the asus-1015? i got one recently, and it runs opensuse linux fine, has a celeron chip (appears to support virtualization, though i haven't tried yet; is missing some SIMD instructions that make matrix math slower), and similar size and screen to this (but it's fatter and plastic). i installed a 60GB ssd (comes with spinning disk; disassembly is somewhat painful; seems to fix any issue with the limited 2GB memory). not sure what the battery life is, but i wouldn't be surprised if it were close to 6 hours if you're not doing much heavy computing.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by josefresco »

Touche wrote: post #80
josefresco wrote: post #64

Awesome little machine but this brings up questions for me: 1. Do consumers want what is essentially a modern netbook? Didn't this market die once the iPad and tablets took hold? It would seem from recent consumer buying trends that most prefer a touch screen/tablet form factor at this price point/screen size. 2. How does this compare to an Android tablet (Nexus 10) with a high quality keyboard? Or even some of the "…

> 1. Do consumers want what is essentially a modern netbook? Yes. > Didn't this market die once the iPad and tablets took hold? No, Chromebooks have been successful.

While I appreciate your response, I would love to see some actual data to back up your conclusions.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by cbhl »

Newky wrote: post #16

This is interesting timing, as I am really considering purchasing a chromebook. There are a few things that I am still curious about: 1. does netflix work ? I know that there was some chromebooks that it did not work on. 2. Any one have any experience with playing flash videos? 3. If linux is put onto it using crouton or similar, is it a severly limit set of packages due to the architecture or does it run quiet well.…

Netflix was enabled on the Samsung Chromebook last year thanks to EME (the HTML5 DRM stuff that was on the front page a few days ago) but sites like Hulu still might not work. I suspect that this device will work just as well, since the chipset is the same.

Flash works because Google maintains a NaCl version of Flash for Linux and ARM, but it's closed source and requires staying inside Chrome OS. If you install e.g. Ubuntu you won't be able to use Flash on Chromium on the same hardware.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by cbhl »

The thing I love about this device is that it charges off a micro-USB port -- buying a spare charger for my Samsung Chromebook was an expensive ordeal.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by lnanek2 »

joezydeco wrote: post #66
trsohmers wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed it is. This is a horrible time to buy this... Assuming Samsung's new Series 3 ARM Chromebook (Rumored Exynos 5420... "Eight core" CPU+Mali T628) keeps the same price this year ($250), then HP's model is left in the dust. No one should be buying a new Nexus 4, 10, or Chromebook until mid november if they want to have a cutting edge device.

Thanks for confirming. I'm a little boggled why HP would roll out an identical product an entire year after the fact, unless HP is just that messed up internally.

There are whole companies that exist entirely on their enterprise sales. So selling their own branded laptop to their clients makes sense even if it is a year behind Samsung.

Honestly, working for a business that buys enterprise devices, 1 year behind is stunningly good. Buying business Android devices with a bar code scanner there's something like a 7 year product life cycle so you get some stunningly old hardware, for example.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by Zlatty »

seiji wrote: post #6

Initial impressions (probably all negative): What's the deal with "Just because it looks cool?" A 640x480 webcam in 2013 seems kinda sad (people have become obsessed with video chats these days, quality matters). Using stylized curse words in the copy? Childish. The font on the page is way too small—people have big screens and bad eyes (plus, lots of words/details/reading trying to figure out what/why this things exi…

Tablet + keyboard price > chromebook 11's price

This laptop could be a gateway for kids as they need a entry device that parents can afford.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by bnastic »

crazcarl wrote: post #20
jl00080 wrote: post #9

serious work=>Laptop, casual work=>tablet, ? => chromebook

What sort of casual work would be better on a tablet than on the chromebook? Answering emails would be better with a dedicated keyboard, as would navigating in a web browser. For casual use otherwise (movies, books, angrybirds/candy crush style games), then a tablet is probably a better tool.

Bluetooth keyboard does wonders for iPad. It's quite a comfortable environment for emails, text editing, etc.

My old retina iPad did quite well as an occasional SSH terminal.

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by oftenwrong »

tbassetto wrote: post #5

Wow, it uses a micro USB charger.

Killer feature for travel. Not only is this thing extremely light (lighter than the small air and zenbook), but you can save weight and space with a small usb charger and cable. Even if it is slower, that is a decent trade-off. I wonder if you can charge devices from the USB ports.

With that and the fanless design, IPS display, etc. This is looking pretty good. If could run a "real" linux distro without the hacks, it would be awesome.

EDIT: Although it has very few ports (no ethernet, HDMI) and a glossy screen, so that sucks

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