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Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

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Thought 1: I want to make a forum. Here's how I will make the front page that lists all the forums, making it clean and easy to see the most popular stuff, even if it's older...

Thought 2: But wait. Do I need a front page that lists all the forums? Am I optimizing instead of thinking?

Thought 3: Are forums really the right tool for the job?

Thought 4: How would I recognize the right tool for the job? What does communication mean? How does this change on the internet?

I do this, but unlike the author I've come to regard it as generally a bad habit. Too much thinking gets in the way of doing. These days I try to avoid over-thinking everything, and concentrate on just making something - anything, and seeing what happens when I launch it.

Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

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Thought 1: I want to make a forum. Here's how I will make the front page that lists all the forums, making it clean and easy to see the most popular stuff, even if it's older... Thought 2: But wait. Do I need a front page that lists all the forums? Am I optimizing instead of thinking? Thought 3: Are forums really the right tool for the job? Thought 4: How would I recognize the right tool for the job? What does commun…

instead of imaginary iteration just switch to actual iteration. at some point you run into technical/time constraints and the problem is solved for you.

Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

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Thought 1: I want to make a forum. Here's how I will make the front page that lists all the forums, making it clean and easy to see the most popular stuff, even if it's older... Thought 2: But wait. Do I need a front page that lists all the forums? Am I optimizing instead of thinking? Thought 3: Are forums really the right tool for the job? Thought 4: How would I recognize the right tool for the job? What does commun…

It depends on what your goal is. My goal is to innovate in design. So for me, it's definitely the best course.

But, think about applying those 4 levels of thinking to your problem with overthinking. It works great on personal issues too. ;)

Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

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It's a cycle of awesomeness.

I'm not convinced... It's an interesting article, but it seems to me this cycle can just as easily devolve into mental masturbation. "I'm thinking X. Am I thinking this because Y or Z? What's the meaning of thought anyway?" Keep doing this for too long and you might turn into some kind of philosopher.

Now, I agree that some self-examination is essential (as Socrates put it, the unexamined life is not worth living), but I'd argue that what's needed is a balance between thinking and doing. And doing requires putting aside all those fabulous thoughts and focusing on the task at hand for a while.

The two are not exclusive, nor is one superior to the other. They are a bit like Reason and Passion in Khalil Gibran's writings (http://www.katsandogz.com/onreason.html):

Your reason and your passion are the rudder and the sails of your seafaring soul. If either your sails or your rudder be broken, you can but toss and drift, or else be held at a standstill in mid-seas. For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction. Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion, that it may sing; And let it direct your passion with reason, that your passion may live through its own daily resurrection, and like the phoenix rise above its own ashes.

I would have you consider your judgment and your appetite even as you would two loved guests in your house. Surely you would not honour one guest above the other; for he who is more mindful of one loses the love and the faith of both.

Among the hills, when you sit in the cool shade of the white poplars, sharing the peace and serenity of distant fields and meadows -- then let your heart say in silence, "God rests in reason." And when the storm comes, and the mighty wind shakes the forest, and thunder and lightning proclaim the majesty of the sky -- then let your heart say in awe, "God moves in passion." And since you are a breath in God's sphere, and a leaf in God's forest, you too should rest in reason and move in passion.

Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

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post #5

Oh my god, I'm an idiot. That'll teach me to try to use a utility for multiple clipboards. :( Yes, the direct link is http://slash7.com/articles/2009/6/10/are-you-thinking-or-are... D'oh.

I assume one of the editors will fix it at some point... or you could resubmit.

Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

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post #5

Oh my god, I'm an idiot. That'll teach me to try to use a utility for multiple clipboards. :( Yes, the direct link is http://slash7.com/articles/2009/6/10/are-you-thinking-or-are... D'oh.

I assume one of the editors will fix it at some point... or you could resubmit.

It's already accumulated a fair few comments, I don't think resubmitting would be appropriate.

Re: Are you thinking, or are you farting?

#20

Thought 1: I want to make a forum. Here's how I will make the front page that lists all the forums, making it clean and easy to see the most popular stuff, even if it's older... Thought 2: But wait. Do I need a front page that lists all the forums? Am I optimizing instead of thinking? Thought 3: Are forums really the right tool for the job? Thought 4: How would I recognize the right tool for the job? What does commun…

this is sometimes a good idea, sometimes not (think Space flight, for example).

The current thinking, probably stemming from Google's design-by-stats methodology is that this scales down to startups, you build something and morph it based on feedback. We used to call that design by committee, but clearly when you give it a new name its a different animal :)

I think what's more likely to have happened is that the problems have changed from things like best way to compress these bytes, faster state machine for this network stream, better LCS algorithm to find my n-gram etc, to problems that involve many social factors for their success. When this happens the only way to find those factors is to involve the social community that is creating them. Often those doing the iteration/refine cycle with the developers are not the same as those ultimately using a product, but when it works, it works well.

Software is seeing a shift towards large scale problems, like making the accumulated history of mankind available to anyone, anywhere; or supporting complex life decisions; or connecting and staying connected with multiple disparate sets of 'friends, etc. These are radically different problems being solved in different ways.

But not every problem is solved best this way.

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