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#111

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And as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

He also said, "I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race." And this, "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man wit…

You'd rather the minority rule? You have some fantastic idea for government that doesn't involve pissing off anyone? You whine about mob rule and democracy as if it's evil or something when it is in fact the best form of government we've figured out yet, despite it's flaws. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you some wackjob hiding in a bunker somewhere plotting the downfall of the government?

Re: MTurk + Google News API = press

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Yes, so it is relevant to note that democracy does not prove rightness or wrongness of an idea. As many others have pointed out, democracy is the best form of government because of two reasons : 1. It ensures that absolute idiots cannot come to power 2. It reduces conflict ( 'You don't like what the government is doing? Too bad, you voted for it!' ).

Absolutely; it sucks, but much less so than any other option.

Re: MTurk + Google News API = press

#113

I've mentioned before that I would pay to use this product. If you had the same tool that worked with a blog search API not only would I pay for it, but you could sell it to SEOs all day long. Just need to find a decent blog search API; I haven't had much luck.

If someone here were to market this product, do you have any suggestions as to how they could reach other customers as well, enough to make it a sustainable business?

Your target would be SEO. Warriorforum.com, blackhatworld.com, #Seochat, etc.

Re: MTurk + Google News API = press

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also said, "I propose that 100,000 degenerate Britons should be forcibly sterilized and others put in labour camps to halt the decline of the British race." And this, "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man wit…

You'd rather the minority rule? You have some fantastic idea for government that doesn't involve pissing off anyone? You whine about mob rule and democracy as if it's evil or something when it is in fact the best form of government we've figured out yet, despite it's flaws. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you some wackjob hiding in a bunker somewhere plotting the downfall of the government?

> You'd rather the minority rule?

No.

> You have some fantastic idea for government that doesn't involve pissing off anyone?

No.

> What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm sure lots of things.

> Are you some wackjob hiding in a bunker somewhere plotting the downfall of the governemnt?

No.

If all you can muster are insults, then there's really nothing left to say.

Re: MTurk + Google News API = press

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd rather the minority rule? You have some fantastic idea for government that doesn't involve pissing off anyone? You whine about mob rule and democracy as if it's evil or something when it is in fact the best form of government we've figured out yet, despite it's flaws. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you some wackjob hiding in a bunker somewhere plotting the downfall of the government?

> You'd rather the minority rule? No. > You have some fantastic idea for government that doesn't involve pissing off anyone? No. > What the hell is wrong with you? I'm sure lots of things. > Are you some wackjob hiding in a bunker somewhere plotting the downfall of the governemnt? No. If all you can muster are insults, then there's really nothing left to say.

There was no insult in that reply, but clearly you have nothing of value left to say.

Re: MTurk + Google News API = press

#116

Mechanical turk is abusive. It bypasses the laws that were designed to protect the most vulnerable, and it will take some time for new laws to catch up that can regulate operations like mechanical turk. Just because new services and start ups have out maneuvered the law making system does not make those services ethical. "Workers relying on such low wages and unstable employment are not likely to be able to educate t…

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but I don't think it is correct to say that Mechanical Turk itself is abusive. Mechanical Turk certainly CAN be abused, but it also CAN be used ethically. For example, we regularly use MT to complete tasks that pay workers effective hourly wages in the range of $8-20 per hour, and I know several other requesters who pay similarly.

It is probably most accurate to say that the lack of worker safeguards on MT attracts many users who pay rates that are (IMHO correctly) classified as abusive. Part of the issue with MT is that traditional worker protections like a minimum wage no longer make sense when you have compensation that is paid on a per-task rather than per-hour basis. Under a per-task compensatory system, faster workers will always earn more money (on an hourly basis) than slower workers. For the tasks we do, it is not uncommon for subsets of workers to earn effective hourly rates almost three times as high as others. In many ways this is good - incenting workers to spend their time on tasks that they can complete most effeciently (and away from tasks that they are less suited for) helps promote the most efficient allocation of labor resources.

But how do you ensure that all workers will always be treated fairly when a minimum wage no longer makes sense? What do you replace it with? Its not clear that there is a simple replacement that works in the micro-tasking context.

Our platform (http://houdiniapp.com) helps businesses complete projects on MTurk. One of the things we realized is that many requesters pay low wages simply because they are really bad at estimating how long tasks actually take to complete. We’ve been able to solve this (somewhat) by providing tools that provide real-time feedback on average completion times in order to provide direct visibility into real hourly wages. However we allow users to set their own compensation and some users still end up paying effective wages in the $2-3 (which we do not encourage, but don't have any simple way to prevent).

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