HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla • Hacker News Board

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by robin_reala » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:28 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #10

Is there a reason this has to be an extension? What is stopping it from being hosted on a webpage, which then loads flash files from URLs? (Background: I need a way to let thousands of flash-based educational resources be usable on an iPad)

It doesn’t have to be an extension, their demo page just loads the player as a JS file:

http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/iframe/viewer.html?swf=../m...

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by ZenoArrow » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:29 AM UTC

maheart wrote: post #8

OliC wrote: post #4

Why didn't this come out of Adobe a year ago?

Why would Adobe do something like this? It costs them money and it doesn't improve their position (and IMO, their goals) at all.

From where does Adobe get money from Flash? It isn't through the Flash Player plugins (which are already free), but it does get money from tools that create Flash content. So why wouldn't it make sense for Adobe to have made a move like this?

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by Kartificial » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:31 AM UTC

Why is this called a HTML5 Flash player? What is HTML5 about it?

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by lportion » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:32 AM UTC

Sami_Lehtinen wrote: post #9

Why not to convert flash stuff to html5 directly? Using runtime is just extra overhead.

I think there might be a lot of complex Flash games out there that are written in AS* that would not be too easy to port to HTML5. Or at least it would be time consuming.

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by robin_reala » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:33 AM UTC

Kartificial wrote: post #13

Why is this called a HTML5 Flash player? What is HTML5 about it?

is an HTML5 element? :)

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by hcopr » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:33 AM UTC

Nothing beats the ease with which the regular flash player can be blocked, and then occasionally loaded by mouse click as it works with flash block and the like. The danger of it becoming an extension is that it's now more difficult to have that block/override workflow. And there's always the dreadful prospect of people embedding it directly into their site, potentially leading to a new wave of blanket JavaScript blocking as a response.

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by ekianjo » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:34 AM UTC

spongle wrote: post #3

Great effort but I really don't want this. I've lived without Flash for a year now and all is good. We just need to break the crack addiction!

It's not because you pretend Flash doesn't exist that it disappears from the Internet.

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by ekianjo » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:39 AM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #2

Very cool. Here's some more demos: http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/

The other cool thing about this is that it could potentially bring back Flash compatibility on Linux machines since the official Flash support/updates was dropped in 2011.

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by AndrewDucker » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:41 AM UTC

eksith wrote: post #5

This is great news. Now if only Mozilla made it easy to remove plugins just as other addons[1], we'll be all set. [1] At present, you'll need to go to [your install folder]\extensions or check their path. To do this, go to about:config and set 'plugin.expose_full_path' to 'true'. Now go to about:plugins where you'll see the full install path. Go to these and delete the .dll Edit: Globally installed plugins, may affec…

Go to Tools->Addons.

Select the "Plugins" tab.

Select "Never Activate" for the ones you don't want to activate.

Re: HTML5 Flash Player (Shumway) lands in Mozilla

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Post by bdcravens » Wed, Oct 02, 2013, 9:43 AM UTC

OliC wrote: post #4

Why didn't this come out of Adobe a year ago?

Adobe Edge Animate is their answer to animation in HTML 5 (not the same thing as an non-native SWF player like Shumway, but a direction they're obviously headed). Did some hands on with the early betas back at Adobe MAX 2011 - kinda felt like Flash 4 or 5 (admittedly I'm not a Flash guy, but have only played with it in the past)