I was curious about the test, but, for me, http://bingiton.com/ goes straight to plain http://www.bing.com . Geolocation, I suppose. I'm in Portugal.
Bing is working worse in terms of results outside the U.S. They don't care about it.
Challenging the Bing It On Challenge
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#32I don't think even the Freakonomics followup is valid because there's a huge difference between telling someone to run some searches and actual search engine use.
Here's what I might type if someone asked me to try their search engine: "Miley Cyrus". The funny thing is that I'm not sure if I would like Google's "Miley Cyrus" results better than Bing's. I'm not sure I could tell the difference.
Here's the kind of stuff I actually need to work well during my normal day: "xcode 5 warning signature expiration does not match provisioning profile"
The second one isn't a real XCode warning, and that's kind of my point. I can't generate compiler warnings from my head to test Bing. I have to see them on my screen first spontaneously. This means if I'm running a Bing challenge I can't possibly simulate the real world unless I'm given my own machine and a few hours at my leisure to run into these types of things.
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#33Microsoft lying in an advert? Impossible! They've never had to resort to that before! http://www.curi.us/1571-lying-microsoft-advertising http://blog.debate.org/2010/12/06/the-cloud-is-a-lie-how-mic... http://techrights.org/2010/01/09/guardian-microsoft-podcast/ http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/23/microsoft-caught-l... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-zq2JD-3A http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-a…
>http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-apple-samsu...
I am lost. What's the alleged lie here?
Also, two of your links leads to the ad which wrongly compares the screen size of diagonal length is bigger.
However, when Google wrongfully claims a Chromebox with a Celeron is running a Intel Core(TM) Processor, no one cares or makes big blog post on HN about it.
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#34Also, how well can you tell which search engine you prefer based solely on the results page itself without investigating how well the content of the individual URLs suggested in the results page satisfy your query on a one by one basis?
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#35Microsoft lying in an advert? Impossible! They've never had to resort to that before! http://www.curi.us/1571-lying-microsoft-advertising http://blog.debate.org/2010/12/06/the-cloud-is-a-lie-how-mic... http://techrights.org/2010/01/09/guardian-microsoft-podcast/ http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/23/microsoft-caught-l... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-zq2JD-3A http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-a…
> http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-apple-samsu... I am lost. What's the alleged lie here? Also, two of your links leads to the ad which wrongly compares the screen size of diagonal length is bigger. However, when Google wrongfully claims a Chromebox with a Celeron is running a Intel Core(TM) Processor, no one cares or makes big blog post on HN about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4046964
My bad, I was trying to link to the Lumia 920 advert where they apologized for lying after the fact. Here is a better link: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-06/hardw...
The advert was apparently done by a Microsoft affiliated marketing firm, so it made sense (to me) to include it.
In regards to your second point, Google and others often make mistakes in their adverts. Microsoft creates deliberate lies and seeks to create confusion and falsehood. Much like your post, to be honest. Have you considered a job on Microsoft's marketing department? I believe they are desperately seeking talent.
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#36Microsoft lying in an advert? Impossible! They've never had to resort to that before! http://www.curi.us/1571-lying-microsoft-advertising http://blog.debate.org/2010/12/06/the-cloud-is-a-lie-how-mic... http://techrights.org/2010/01/09/guardian-microsoft-podcast/ http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/23/microsoft-caught-l... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-zq2JD-3A http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-a…
Link 1: complains of misleading screen comparison. Microsoft compared diagonal size, but due to aspect ratio differences the screen with the larger diagonal size actually has less area. This could plausibly be called a lie.
Link 2: complains that some of the things shown in the "To the Cloud" ads do not involve storage on a third party server, and says this means they have nothing to do with the cloud. Also complains that the things in the ad that do involve storage on a third party server have been done before, and so somehow it is wrong for Microsoft to say that they do them.
Link 3: Makes no specific claim of Microsoft lying. Just gives a transcript of The Guardian talking to a Microsoft person at CES, and asserts that it must be full of lies because it is from Microsoft. (Which is amusing, because Techrights is just rebranded Boycott Novell, probably the most lie filled tech-related site on the web).
Link 4: same claim as link #1.
Link 5: video does not play.
Link 6: Does not claim that Microsoft is lying. It is just reporting that they did an ad making fun of the competition.
Link 7: Getting an error now, so I can't verify, but I got to it earlier and on a first quick read it looked like it was just complaining about bashing a competitor.
Your links do not really do a good job of supporting your argument.
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#37When I've had my friends take the Bing It On challenge and polled them on the results, they usually prefer Google by about a 2:1 margin, pretty close to what Freakonomics found.
It's great advertising for Google.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-apple-samsu... I am lost. What's the alleged lie here? Also, two of your links leads to the ad which wrongly compares the screen size of diagonal length is bigger. However, when Google wrongfully claims a Chromebox with a Celeron is running a Intel Core(TM) Processor, no one cares or makes big blog post on HN about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4046964
My bad, I was trying to link to the Lumia 920 advert where they apologized for lying after the fact. Here is a better link: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-06/hardw... The advert was apparently done by a Microsoft affiliated marketing firm, so it made sense (to me) to include it. In regards to your second point, Google and others often make mistakes in their adverts. Microsoft creates deliberate l…
Affiliated marketing firm means MSFT made the claim or guilt by association?
The Lumia 920 camera issue was wholly the responsibility of Nokia, thus why they issued the statement. It doesn't seem unusual that partners on a device might share marketing firms, so this link as an example is a bit of a stretch.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> http://modmyi.com/content/10764-microsoft-bashes-apple-samsu... I am lost. What's the alleged lie here? Also, two of your links leads to the ad which wrongly compares the screen size of diagonal length is bigger. However, when Google wrongfully claims a Chromebox with a Celeron is running a Intel Core(TM) Processor, no one cares or makes big blog post on HN about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4046964
My bad, I was trying to link to the Lumia 920 advert where they apologized for lying after the fact. Here is a better link: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-06/hardw... The advert was apparently done by a Microsoft affiliated marketing firm, so it made sense (to me) to include it. In regards to your second point, Google and others often make mistakes in their adverts. Microsoft creates deliberate l…
>The advert was apparently done by a Microsoft affiliated marketing firm, so it made sense (to me) to include it.
Reference?
>In regards to your second point, Google and others often make mistakes in their adverts.
So when Google claims the Chromebox has a Core processor, it's an unintentional mistake, but when Microsoft says a 10.1" screen is bigger than a 9.7" one, it's a deliberate lie.
>Much like your post, to be honest. Have you considered a job on Microsoft's marketing department? I believe they are desperately seeking talent.
Why the personal attacks?
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#40> When I looked into the claim a bit more, I was slightly annoyed to learn that the “nearly 2:1” claim is based on a study of just 1,000 participants. To be sure, I’ve often published studies with similarly small datasets, but it’s a little cheeky for Microsoft to base what might be a multi-million dollar advertising campaign on what I’m guessing is a low six-figure study. He's right, but a sample of 1,000 is rigorou…
Sample size is immaterial unless you clearly can see and evaluate the criteria under which they were chosen. 8000 of 9000 dentists choose Brand X toothpaste means nothing if they asked 100,000 people and found 8,000 willing to say they liked Brand X. By itself the sample size that is indicated may have little to do with the actual test.
I was going to suggest the same thing, that given about 1/5 of people use Bing (why?) then you simply sample 5000 people, select the 1000 or so Bing users...
However, it turns out there is an easier way. Simply select your sample from existing heavy Bing users. Oddly enough, they'll probably prefer Bing.