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Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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Its a little interesting, I tried Bing for a bit to avoid Google's onerous privacy issues, and I gave up. I moved to DuckDuckGo, haven't been back. The results are usually more relevant for me and I don't have to feed the Big-G machine.

DDG uses Bing + Google + its own secret sauce. I tried DDG for an year and was fairly satisfied but it was a hassle to even use hashbang (!g) with suggest. So gave up and moved back to Google. And Startpage.

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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post #7

Website operators need to revolt against Microsoft and their bots. We see nearly a thousand parallel connections from their bots, nearly continuously. For only 18% of search use, they seem to consume several times more resources than Google. And for some stupid reason their bing bot and msn bot do not share data but crawl the same pages independently. (and yes we use crawl-delay directive, they ignore it)

You should contact the Bing team to follow up with this:

https://support.discoverbing.com/eform.aspx?productKey=bingw...

I used to run the Bing Webmaster program, and I know they do support crawl-delay. It could be someone masquerading as BingBot, or simply a bug. Ping me if no one gets back to you and I can follow up.

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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While the results returned are of use, Bing It On removes any of the right-hand side Google content pulled from Wikipedia and other databases which differentiate Google results quite a bit more than the Bing results (especially for quick returns on top hits). Selecting only a portion of a page is not really a fair comparison. That said, the effort did get me to take a closer look at the two and evaluate which one I preferred. I just didn't pick their horse.

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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post #18
post #8

Marketing aside I find Bing results good. Google is kind of turning into singularity and tends to return only google (or US) centered results (for example youtube only videos). Bing seems to have better diversity.

The opposite is just as annoying if not more: I search in English and google insists on translating my search terms to the local language and displaying local search results. Again: idea for a startup: -like google but 5 years ago.

Delete all cookies, visit google.com and tell it you speak english.

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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post #9

> When I looked into the claim a bit more, I was slightly annoyed to learn that the “nearly 2:1” claim is based on a study of just 1,000 participants. To be sure, I’ve often published studies with similarly small datasets, but it’s a little cheeky for Microsoft to base what might be a multi-million dollar advertising campaign on what I’m guessing is a low six-figure study. He's right, but a sample of 1,000 is rigorou…

Sample size is immaterial unless you clearly can see and evaluate the criteria under which they were chosen. 8000 of 9000 dentists choose Brand X toothpaste means nothing if they asked 100,000 people and found 8,000 willing to say they liked Brand X. By itself the sample size that is indicated may have little to do with the actual test.

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that most of us/the HN crowd can't fairly do the bingiton challenge.

At least for me, it's really quite easy to tell them apart just based on subtleties. I.E. Not the quality of the content itself but just how its presented. And if there are ever images involved, it gets even easier because Google and Bing display them completely differently (and honestly I think Bing does a more elegant/"nicer" job of it)

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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post #6

Its a little interesting, I tried Bing for a bit to avoid Google's onerous privacy issues, and I gave up. I moved to DuckDuckGo, haven't been back. The results are usually more relevant for me and I don't have to feed the Big-G machine.

The only downside to DuckDuckGo is the results are terrible -- I don't care the claims are, this search provider doesn't in the same league of intelligent search results as Google or Bing.

Re: Challenging the Bing It On Challenge

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post #28

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that most of us/the HN crowd can't fairly do the bingiton challenge. At least for me, it's really quite easy to tell them apart just based on subtleties. I.E. Not the quality of the content itself but just how its presented. And if there are ever images involved, it gets even easier because Google and Bing display them completely differently (and honestly I think Bing does a more…

Here's me "blindly" picking Bing 5 times: http://i.imgur.com/NAuhhhV.png

This is why I'm skeptical of anyone here saying "I got Bing 100%" or "I got Google 100%". It's extremely easy for us to game.

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