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Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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Since when is 80% increase "doubling"?

Still, getting close to 10% of market share is really a "massive achievement". I did not expect that. I wonder what was the main reason for people to buy it. I mean, if you're not a programmer/developer and you enter the store and see Lumia, SGS4 and iPhone4/5, how does the average customer select?

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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post #59

A less misleading headline would probably be "Windows Phone sales in the last 3 months double in Europe. Share of new sales trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany"

Make it even "Windows Phone sales in the last 3 months double in Europe. Share of new sales trails iPhone by only one percent point in Germany".

Always makes me twitch when I see statistical simplification in the headlines.

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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Shouldn't be such a surprise to anyone. Nokia has always done well in Europe. It's a trusted, recognized brand, with lots of credibility, and they had actually just started to deliver again (Lumia 1020 & amazing lower end phones). The road-map for windows phone looks good too. I will admit--I have owned Windows Phones (now a 1020) only because of Nokia, and I am content with them. Sure the 1020 doesn't have all the b…

I've been using a Lumia 620 for the last three months, and I have really tried to like it. Switched back to my 2 year old android ZTE blade with a cracked screen two days ago. I feel like I just got an upgrade. Nokia used to make great phones... and I still love the hardware. but the windows phone package leaves much to be desired.

I'll trade you a working blade for that 620. Your choice of white, black, or gray. I even have an OLED screen lying around :)

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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5MP downsample, resolution falls well short of what a 38MP camera should (theoretically) be capable of, runs windows phone 8 (fewer apps), phone has awkward shape not shown in commercials, low screen resolution, and as the following review puts it: http://www.everyjoe.com/2013/07/13/technology/nokia-lumia-10... "You might think that despite all of these negatives, at least the Lumia 1020 blows all other phones out of…

I've been playing around with a 1020 for a few days, that article is really lame. That first picture is showing it with the weird camera case accessory, you wouldn't normally carry the phone around with that attached. It looks just like it does in the ads in person. It fits my pocket fine (less awkward than the 'chin' on some Androids) and the weight and balance are comfortable for reading and making phone calls. I n…

Slow cycle time is not standard issue. Cycle-time is non-existent on my iPhone 5. Low-cycle time became a key selling point in DSLRs and P&S cameras 5+ years ago. It's jarring to experience it in 2013.

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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This must be bullshit. Not that I have scientific evidence, but as a app developer I got quite good at identifying a device type just by having a quick glance at it and that's what I usually do to keep me busy in public transport and other places. What I see is about 50% iPhones, the majority being iPhone 4, not so many 4S, but also quite a few iPhone 5. Next up are Samsung phones of all kinds, with the prevalent bei…

I'm curious as to bow you tell an iphone 4s apart from a 4 at a glance.

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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I've got the feeling the iPhone lost its cool here in the Netherlands. Suddenly the buzz is all about Nokia and HTC while Samsung and Apple are becoming less popular. And I think I can understand why. The Nokia 520 is a great device for under € 170. And the HTC has a great screen, stereo sound and a very smooth designed Android version.

I'm thinking that perhaps the temporary (but lengthy) period in which the iPhone was the most popular phone was, for the most part, an aberration. Apple generally just does it's thing where it doesn't go for the largest market share, but because they were unusually innovative/lucky with the iPhone, they had a period of popularity. The fact that the iPhone 5C isn't the cheap phone we expected seems to confirm this. It…

What's amazing to me is how apple has resisted the temptation to go for market share with the iphone. That said, apple got and sustained a dominant share of the music player business against everyone's expectations and without compromising on quality (although i don't see apple doing an iphone shuffle).

It might be that microsoft's success with windows was the aberration. After all DOS and then windows were inferior products that achieved critical mass and widespread success because IBM got them into the enterprise and apple was asleep at the wheel.

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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Yes it means something when phone is the only device you use and you don't have the app for your banks or airlines or insurance company. A lot of whats there on the windows app store is also shoddy.

You have heard of a web browser haven't you? Everything that there isn't an app for you can do on the damn browser which is good as its the same as full desktop IE10. This is a poor excuse and justification. As for shoddy apps, Google Play has its fair share as well don't forget.

It's really ironic that Microsoft's OS is being bailed out on its lack of apps by the web.

Embrace, extend, extingu..... Embraaaaaaaaaace!!!

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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post #11

This is share of sales in the last 3 months, not share of devices in the wild. It's no surprise that iPhone's sales share plummeted the last quarter before the 5S release.

Whenever you see a story about market share, it's for a quarter.

Depends on how the shares are measured.

The ones that use web sites logs are for the total of the devices in use, for example.

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

#79
So WP seems to be taking market share from which seems to be almost exclusively from "Other" (presumably Win Mobile and BB).

iOS and Android are largely either growing or holding steady (varies by country - Android could be seen as flat lining but then you look at China where it had 9% growth which suggests that might be a bit of a premature accusation).

So, we seem to have a market place with three players - Android, iOS and Windows Phone.

The question is can the market support that or will there be a drive to a single platform?

Personally it feels I can do most of what I do without worrying what device I have in front of me or what it's running and I don't think twice what device someone else has before e-mailing them, sending them a document or whatever. The days of having to use something similar to someone else to be able to interact seem long gone.

So it seems to come down to whether any particular platform can remain profitable for it's owner, for device makers and for software developers. Right now the answer to that seems to be yes for Android and iOS and maybe for WP, but it doesn't feel like there's any reason to believe that there's any inevitability about any of them dying out.

Re: Windows Phone doubles share in Europe, trails iPhone by only 1% in Germany

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It does have fewer apps. No instagram, vine, youtube, dropbox, G+ hangouts (really important for a lot of software engineers), tripadvisor offline city guides, starbucks app, airline check-in from many carriers (United surprisingly does have)... That was just going through the main homescreens on my Android. > I actually only use three "apps" that aren't built in on my WP8 device. I'm not sure what you're trying to s…

I have a Win 8 tablet and the app store is a complete joke. I don't think the "use the browser" argument really holds any water. Lots of UX features are only really available when you go the native route, i.e the new "picture in picture" feature in the Android Youtube app.

Windows 8 is not Windows Phone 8.
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