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The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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The BAWSAQ is by far the most interesting market. The BAWSAQ is an online market driven by the buy and sell orders of all 15M+ players. Early on, before people started to realize how the market worked, I did some pump-and-dump schemes and made >$400M. That's a lot of money, even in GTA. Now that I have that much money I can drive stocks up or down and milk the market for all I want. GTA isn't just for blue color crim…

"The BAWSAQ is by far the most interesting market. The BAWSAQ is an online market driven by the buy and sell orders of all 15M+ players." I'm surprised no Scots have popped up to point out how hilarious that market's name is ;)

Care to enlighten the non-Scots?

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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One game that, like GTA, is not focused around making tons of virtual money, but has some neat emergent lessons, is Escape Velocity Nova: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/evn/ You have a small starfreighter, and one way to make money is by buying goods where they're inexpensive, loading them up in your cargo hold, and flying somewhere where they're expensive to sell them. Eventually you realize that it makes sense to…

This sounds a lot like the old BBS game TradeWars. Thanks for sharing it!

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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One game that, like GTA, is not focused around making tons of virtual money, but has some neat emergent lessons, is Escape Velocity Nova: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/evn/ You have a small starfreighter, and one way to make money is by buying goods where they're inexpensive, loading them up in your cargo hold, and flying somewhere where they're expensive to sell them. Eventually you realize that it makes sense to…

Isn't Ambrosia the company behind the amazing turn-based RPG series, Exile; with Exile I, II, III, and Blades of Exile being some of the most critically-acclaimed independent RPGs of all-time?

edit: nope, that would be SpiderWeb, who has apparently renamed the series to "Avernum" (???): http://www.spidweb.com/

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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"The BAWSAQ is by far the most interesting market. The BAWSAQ is an online market driven by the buy and sell orders of all 15M+ players." I'm surprised no Scots have popped up to point out how hilarious that market's name is ;)

Care to enlighten the non-Scots?

Put on your best Scottish accent and say the name out loud. Think the Sean Connery character on SNL Celebrity Jeopardy.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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One game that, like GTA, is not focused around making tons of virtual money, but has some neat emergent lessons, is Escape Velocity Nova: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/evn/ You have a small starfreighter, and one way to make money is by buying goods where they're inexpensive, loading them up in your cargo hold, and flying somewhere where they're expensive to sell them. Eventually you realize that it makes sense to…

And of course, the grand-daddy of this genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TradeWars_2002

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Calls to mind "Wall Street Kid," a stock-trading game released on the good ol' NES back in 1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Kid

The premise of the game was fairly ludicrous: if you could earn a decent return on a $500,000 loan, you stood to inherit a $600 billion (!) family fortune. But the stock market in the game, while randomized, was pretty innovative for its time. (It's been awhile since I've played it, of course, but I vaguely remember that there was some sort of internally consistent logic behind the stock pricing movements that seemed to be randomly seeded at the start of each game).

As far as I can tell, the entire game revolved around getting rich off of stocks, wining and dining an increasingly high-maintenance trophy wife, and making a series of very conspicuous consumptions (a yacht, a penthouse, and even a castle). But the mini game in GTA V seems very similar.

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To stay in business, casinos need to be a bad deal for customers _as a group_. Did I say casinos? I meant insurance companies. Seriously, insurance is a bet on something bad happening. Usually it only makes sense to buy insurance for the equivalent of long-shot "lottery jackpots". Like a catastrophic health problem. Or like the damage you might do to other people and their property in an auto accident --- but probabl…

Insurance is the opposite of gambling. You take a guaranteed loss instead of risking a huge one. Not having insurance is a bet that nothing bad will happen. If you can afford to replace everything you own out of savings, good for you, but most people can't.

> If you can afford to replace everything you own out of savings, good for you, but most people can't.

Not that it's relevant, but I can't. Anyway, I didn't say anyone should plan to replace everything from savings. My point is, whatever you _can_ replace from savings, don't waste money to insure _that_.

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It doesn't matter to an insurance company how likely car crashes are -- that just determines what the company charges in premiums. All that matters is that the likelihood is well understood and that the company has enough customers to stay solvent. Insurance companies essentially work by the Law of Large Numbers: that in a large enough number of trials, the average value should approach the expected value. In real wo…

Insurance makes money on float and usually loses money on insuring something over the long term. I can't remember the exact numbers, but GEICO might payout something like 103% (or 3% MORE than you paid them) over the term of your policy with them. How do they make money? http://seekingalpha.com/article/419731-buffett-on-insurance-... Basically they invest your premiums during the time you are paying them and make mon…

Insurance companies usually lose money on underwriting.

However, GEICO is not a good example, because it is the exception to the rule. GEICO usually makes an underwriting profit -- often a very large underwriting profit.

In fact, all of Berkshire Hathaway's insurance operations make a long-term underwriting profit. Unlike GEICO, the reinsurers do not make a profit every year, because hurricanes and earthquakes are unpredictable. (Whereas car crash statistics change very slowly from year to year.) But averaged out over a long period of time, they make a profit.

This is the secret of Warren Buffett's success as an investor. He is essentially buying stocks on margin, at a negative interest rate.

Data collected from Berkshire Hathaway annual reports:

  2012: $680 million profit on $11,578 million float
  2011: $576 million profit on $11,169 million float
  2010: $1,117 milion profit on $10,272 million float
  2009: $649 million profit on $9,613 million float
  2008: $916 million profit on $8,454 million float
  2007: $1,113 million profit on $7,768 million float
  2006: $1,314 million profit on $7,171 million float
  2005: $1,221 million profit on $6,692 million float
  2004: $970 million profit on $5,960 million float
  Not broken out separately prior to 2004
This profitability streak is truly exceptional. As Warren Buffett pointed out in his 2012 letter, State Farm has made an underwriting loss in 8 of the previous 11 years. The insurance industry as a whole has made an underwriting loss in 37 of the previous 45 years.

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Beyond that, given the perverse 'market' for health care in the US, even if you can (theoretically) afford to self-insure, the pricing mechanisms and negotiating power of insurance companies practically ensures that they can offer you premiums for less than your out-of-pocket cost for even fairly pedestrian services.

There are (or at least were when I sold insurance) products that costed very little (compared to an actual plan) that provided you with the negotiated price the insurance company would pay if something happens. If you can afford to self-insure, the best bet would be to buy one of these products and store the rest in the bank. No clue if those things exist anymore with everything going on in the world of health insura…

But you really can't afford to self-insure, even if you're young and healthy. There's always the small but real chance of getting a catastrophic illness and running up a million dollar bill.

Therefore, you really need to buy at least catastrophic coverage. And that's real insurance, not self-insurance.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Calls to mind "Wall Street Kid," a stock-trading game released on the good ol' NES back in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Kid The premise of the game was fairly ludicrous: if you could earn a decent return on a $500,000 loan, you stood to inherit a $600 billion (!) family fortune. But the stock market in the game, while randomized, was pretty innovative for its time. (It's been awhile since I've playe…

Oh I hated this game! I was so bad at it and made no profit in the week I had it rented.

Turns out I did about as well in the real stock market. gg.

The game was really fun though

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