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Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by alanh »

keyle wrote: post #249
camus wrote: post #198

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Given Adobe track record on betrayal, and borderline extorsion schemes , I would not even touch their tools anymore. They had they chance with Flash,Dreamweaver and Fireworks... Flash = almost dead Dreamweaver = Zombie mod Fireworks = Dead despite its powerfull features like jquerymobile skinning,project files as png files,games graphics, native app design, easily customizable through js. Thank you Elop (who sold MM…

No offence but I still make 5 figures using Flash/Flex/AIR for Fortune 100 companies. Flex with IntelliJ beats the javascript crap sauce anyone tries to push down my throat. The VM is extremely capable (yet terrible advertised and documented) and the language is superb and easily approachable. If Adobe wasn't such a butt hole* at PR, we'd be in a different situation. *:understand that Adobe shot itself in the foot in…

“5 figures” hardly seems notable…

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by [deleted] »

abalone wrote: post #259
diminoten wrote: post #194

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Or you could stop using a website you don't think does ads correctly.

Well then. I suppose you are also opposed to * pop-up blocking * cookie blocking * readability ..all of which are common browser features now. Because you can just not visit bad sites. Yeah, didn't think so.

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Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by diminoten »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #235
debacle wrote: post #217

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The people providing the content are still being supported by the monetization scheme - you're taking money from them when you use their content without viewing their ads.

No. Those people are exposing us to mass cross-site tracking before we even get to see their content, without our permission, and without most people even knowing it's happening.

Visiting a site is giving that site permission to run whatever it wants in your browser/on your computer.

The only winning move is to not visit a site.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by krapp »

noamhello wrote: post #177
krapp wrote: post #95

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>So, basically, Google is just creating their own proprietary format that's built on HTML. Even if you are just using it to construct ads you'll be somewhat locked-in to this toolchain. Since HTML is inherently open people will be able to build converters but it's still a bad precedent. Adobe's Muse does a similar thing - if you publish to Business Catalyst using it it locks you into a proprietary "format" that force…

Not sure where you got that info. Muse generates standards based HTML and CSS, you can take the HTML and CSS files and do what ever you want with them. Note, at that point your editing code, not visually designing. Even if you've published to Business Catalyst, you can just take your file and export to HTML and CSS later on.

I'm willing to push past my visceral dislike of WYSIWIG editors to try it out again. I need to get a Cloud account sooner or later.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by znowi »

gwdengineer wrote: post #232
simonsarris wrote: post #22

The most important feature of this (to Google(?)) is the built-in ad editor. It's the last point on the feature list page, but it's very telling that it's the first thing on the "Create New" screen. https://support.google.com/webdesigner/answer/3261498?hl=en&...

While Ads is an important focus area for Web Designer, we don't see it as an 'Ads only' tool. Our ambition while building Google Web Designer is that it be a general-purpose, awesome HTML5 content builder. Hence the name Web Designer & not Ad Designer. We aim to learn from our users, iterate & push quickly to reach our ultimate goal of being a kick- general purpose HTML5 builder!

The ad-centric intent is clear and trying to cover it with "we don't see it this way" only further alienates potential users (and worse, makes fool of them). Be up front and honest about the product you make.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by shrikant »

beernutz wrote: post #238
tumultco wrote: post #188

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Google itself doesn't scare me; it is really just team vs. team. I think we've got the best product and engineering expertise for this market. Clearly I'm biased :) so I'd encourage anyone to try Tumult Hype and let us know your thoughts (we've got a fully functional 14-day trial on the site). While Google hasn't announced pricing, it is probably safe to say it is going to be free. This is a business for us, so we ch…

I would love to check out your product, but it only runs on OSX. You might consider a port to drastically expand your potential client base. Google's free offering is cross platform already.

It doesn't say anything about Linux, but I guess more than one platform is technically "cross platform" :(

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Post by Groxx »

abalone wrote: post #118

Ok, the war is on. Does anyone know of a good HTML5 ad blocker? Flash was awesome . It made it really easy to block animated ads. My browsing experience had been wonderful ever since I installed a Flash blocker a few years ago. Also did wonders for my battery life. Please, please help my browsing experience remain wonderful. Thanks.

If they're embedded iframes, you should still be able to use e.g. adblock based on the URL. If not, you can probably go back to element blocking, same as now for static containers. If they're invisible / removed from the DOM tree, it should be a lighter weight browsing experience :)

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by Groxx »

[deleted] wrote: post #262
abalone wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well then. I suppose you are also opposed to * pop-up blocking * cookie blocking * readability ..all of which are common browser features now. Because you can just not visit bad sites. Yeah, didn't think so.

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Readability is in Safari, so many (many) millions of users. There are extensions for basically everything, bookmarklets for everything else, and many news-reading applications use the same scripts to render their 'text' views.

And popup / cookie blocking has been standard (not just common!) for a while, so I assume you didn't mean that.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by kyledilger »

znowi wrote: post #210
simonsarris wrote: post #22

The most important feature of this (to Google(?)) is the built-in ad editor. It's the last point on the feature list page, but it's very telling that it's the first thing on the "Create New" screen. https://support.google.com/webdesigner/answer/3261498?hl=en&...

Might as well be called "Google Ad Designer" :) There seem to be a hidden agenda in everything Google does these days.

It's not hidden that Google makes its money through advertising.
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