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The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter to an insurance company how likely car crashes are -- that just determines what the company charges in premiums. All that matters is that the likelihood is well understood and that the company has enough customers to stay solvent. Insurance companies essentially work by the Law of Large Numbers: that in a large enough number of trials, the average value should approach the expected value. In real wo…

I think you overlooked that in GTA we have a > 100-year-storm of destruction In the game world, insurance companies wouldn't have predicted the level of claims.

I haven't played the game. If the game's premise is that there's a one-of-a-kind rampage going on that's causing all sorts of mayhem that couldn't have been predicted, then I agree that buying shares in an insurance company would be a bad idea.

But if the game's premise is that the mayhem is normal within the world, then insurance would be stupid expensive. But, assuming the market can bear those prices, insurance would be a good business to be in.

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I...bought...twenty shares of Augury Insurance (which sells auto insurance — a good bet, considering all the cars I've been wrecking) I'd argue the opposite, no? The 100-year-storm of destruction that we, as Player 1, unleash upon the poor Liberty City automotive world would probably make any insurance company run screaming and crying in the opposite direction of profitability. "We had HOW MANY claims yesterday after…

To stay in business, casinos need to be a bad deal for customers _as a group_. Did I say casinos? I meant insurance companies. Seriously, insurance is a bet on something bad happening. Usually it only makes sense to buy insurance for the equivalent of long-shot "lottery jackpots". Like a catastrophic health problem. Or like the damage you might do to other people and their property in an auto accident --- but probabl…

Insurance is accepting a small but certain loss to prevent a large and unlikely loss. Gambling is accepting a small but certain loss in the hopes of getting a large and unlikely gain.

They're related but opposite concepts.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To stay in business, casinos need to be a bad deal for customers _as a group_. Did I say casinos? I meant insurance companies. Seriously, insurance is a bet on something bad happening. Usually it only makes sense to buy insurance for the equivalent of long-shot "lottery jackpots". Like a catastrophic health problem. Or like the damage you might do to other people and their property in an auto accident --- but probabl…

Insurance is the opposite of gambling. You take a guaranteed loss instead of risking a huge one. Not having insurance is a bet that nothing bad will happen. If you can afford to replace everything you own out of savings, good for you, but most people can't.

> If you can afford to replace everything you own out of savings, good for you, but most people can't.

Exactly this. The advice I was always given is that if you can afford to replace x (whatever x is) if something bad were to happen, then it's better not to bother. But if you can't, and x is necessary for your life, then you need to accept insurance as a necessary evil.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Incidentally, there are already a multitude of subreddits which have formed for the express purpose of manipulating the public markets. This is a really interesting interaction, though it's somewhat skewed by the fact that a player can simply revert to a saved game if the stock they've purchased tanks.

To say it's "skewed" is an understatement. Any market in which a group can collectively take a dive, then revert their losses while the winners commit (save) the upside is destined to be exploited.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To stay in business, casinos need to be a bad deal for customers _as a group_. Did I say casinos? I meant insurance companies. Seriously, insurance is a bet on something bad happening. Usually it only makes sense to buy insurance for the equivalent of long-shot "lottery jackpots". Like a catastrophic health problem. Or like the damage you might do to other people and their property in an auto accident --- but probabl…

Insurance is accepting a small but certain loss to prevent a large and unlikely loss . Gambling is accepting a small but certain loss in the hopes of getting a large and unlikely gain . They're related but opposite concepts.

The Casino, not the gambler, counts on a constant stream of money coming in with the occasional large chunk of money going out. Insurance companies operate the same.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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I...bought...twenty shares of Augury Insurance (which sells auto insurance — a good bet, considering all the cars I've been wrecking) I'd argue the opposite, no? The 100-year-storm of destruction that we, as Player 1, unleash upon the poor Liberty City automotive world would probably make any insurance company run screaming and crying in the opposite direction of profitability. "We had HOW MANY claims yesterday after…

It doesn't matter to an insurance company how likely car crashes are -- that just determines what the company charges in premiums. All that matters is that the likelihood is well understood and that the company has enough customers to stay solvent. Insurance companies essentially work by the Law of Large Numbers: that in a large enough number of trials, the average value should approach the expected value. In real wo…

I'm sorry to be so pedantic, but your math doesn't seem quite right. Should it instead be (1/100,000 chance of burning down each year) * ($200,000 cost if it does) = $2 per near expected damages?

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter to an insurance company how likely car crashes are -- that just determines what the company charges in premiums. All that matters is that the likelihood is well understood and that the company has enough customers to stay solvent. Insurance companies essentially work by the Law of Large Numbers: that in a large enough number of trials, the average value should approach the expected value. In real wo…

I'm sorry to be so pedantic, but your math doesn't seem quite right. Should it instead be (1/100,000 chance of burning down each year) * ($200,000 cost if it does) = $2 per near expected damages?

Err, yes you're right. I was off there by a couple orders of magnitude :)

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overlooked that in GTA we have a > 100-year-storm of destruction In the game world, insurance companies wouldn't have predicted the level of claims.

I haven't played the game. If the game's premise is that there's a one-of-a-kind rampage going on that's causing all sorts of mayhem that couldn't have been predicted, then I agree that buying shares in an insurance company would be a bad idea. But if the game's premise is that the mayhem is normal within the world, then insurance would be stupid expensive. But, assuming the market can bear those prices, insurance wo…

It's a game where getting into a fender bender with a cop car often results in hundreds of blown up cars, numerous car-jackings, and several crashed helicopters an hour or two later, but only if your character is involved.

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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World of Warcraft's Auction House is similarly interesting. It can get really complicated trying to corner the market on different goods, although it's less integral to gameplay over all. It's more like an embedded minigame at times. One thing I learned in that game is that while one can make a lot of money being the middle man, the real value is from labor (as far as WoW is concerned) -- but grinding for materials c…

I think there are far better games for market PvP such as EVE Online, Guild Wars, or Kingdom of Loathing. Making profit on the WoW AH was very formulaic (refining raw materials into the largest variety of items possible to maximize turnover - see JC shuffle), the best route was to find botters who would sell raw materials to you below market rates, and the huge number of shards made markets much less interesting. Eve…

market PvP

I think you just invented a new term that has lots of appeal to me. :) Just saying it: "I want to do some market PvP" makes me ... want?

EVE Online probably comes closet to this ... but it reminds me of a prolonged Dune story; doesn't bother me, though. :)

Re: The Best Part of Grand Theft Auto V is the Stock-Trading Platform

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World of Warcraft's Auction House is similarly interesting. It can get really complicated trying to corner the market on different goods, although it's less integral to gameplay over all. It's more like an embedded minigame at times. One thing I learned in that game is that while one can make a lot of money being the middle man, the real value is from labor (as far as WoW is concerned) -- but grinding for materials c…

I made far more gold in WoW as a middleman than I ever did with "labor" alone.

Yes, grinding, dis enchanting, etc was boring and it seemed like I never made much money. Towards the end of Cata it seemed like I made more money selling materials I collected in the AH while grinding up to 80.

I think connections and information also helped out a lot

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