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Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by bliker » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:55 PM UTC

LandoCalrissian wrote: post #17

dougaitken wrote: post #3

Let's hope this isn't the new Dreamweaver!

Is Dreamweaver heavily used anymore? I don't honestly know, I haven't worked with anyone that used it in at least 7 years or so.

Sadly it is introduced as industry standard for many students. Mainly for design schools where they also require Photoshop.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by e12e » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:56 PM UTC

JacksonGariety wrote: post #43

Downloaded. Opened. Drew a rectangle. Filled with #FF0000. It spit this out: https://gist.github.com/JacksonGariety/6766626 (after struggling and realizing CMD+S wasn't saving my file) I feel sorry for whoever was tasked with making this application.

Uh-oh. So, while Frontpage just broke useragent stylesheets (all those sites setting the text-color, and assuming background was white, like it was in IE) -- this'll break what's left of the semantic web? I wonder how well google handles crawling these things...

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by mdigi » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:56 PM UTC

JacksonGariety wrote: post #43

Downloaded. Opened. Drew a rectangle. Filled with #FF0000. It spit this out: https://gist.github.com/JacksonGariety/6766626 (after struggling and realizing CMD+S wasn't saving my file) I feel sorry for whoever was tasked with making this application.

I thought it's a tool for designing websites - nope.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by zalew » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:57 PM UTC

hiyou102 wrote: post #47

Another product without linux support from Google. This is getting frustrating.

Yeh, it sucks. But don't worry, when enough people get hooked on it, they will move it online, before integrating it into google+.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by shacharz » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:57 PM UTC

This is nice, I wish google's web designer was an actual WEB app

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by tumultco » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:58 PM UTC

wakkalakka wrote: post #38

This sounds a lot like Tumult's Hype: http://tumult.com/hype One of the primary complaints about Hype is that its HTML / CSS / JS output isn't very clean. I wonder if Google's tool produces better output. EDIT: Looks like not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6470640

Tumult Hype's exports are essentially 3 lines of HTML so it is easy to embed in other documents and output mostly takes the form of JSON animation data and a JavaScript runtime file. It isn't meant to be hand-edited or even read, since we minify heavily to keep file sizes extremely small.

While everything has its tradeoffs, we went with this approach because:

- Our app has a lot of animation and interactivity capabilities not meaningfully expressed through anything but JavaScript. For example, we don't use CSS3 Animations nor transitions because they aren't powerful enough (pausing, synchronization, etc.).

- We have better control over how we express the DOM to the browser. There's plenty of browser bugs or incompatibilities which sometimes require us to on-the-fly change the DOM structure or which properties we are using.

- The user could easily bork the output so it could not be read back in

- No tool will ever produce output that will appease everyone :)

We provide lots of hooks in and outside of the runtime for your own JavaScript and HTML so you can still customize quite a bit.

So it isn't that our output isn't very clean (in fact I'm quite proud of the runtime and how we've been able to add features without increasing bloat); it is that edits are meant to happen from the app itself.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by viame » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:59 PM UTC

JacksonGariety wrote: post #43

Downloaded. Opened. Drew a rectangle. Filled with #FF0000. It spit this out: https://gist.github.com/JacksonGariety/6766626 (after struggling and realizing CMD+S wasn't saving my file) I feel sorry for whoever was tasked with making this application.

Hah! I did exactly the same, went to code view and closed the application. x-D

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by heartbreak » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 4:59 PM UTC

topbanana wrote: post #36

cbhl wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's necessary, but not sufficient. Look at Microsoft Blend for Visual Studio (formerly Microsoft Expression Blend), for example.

I don't think it was such a bad tool, it just targeted a dead-end platform (Silverlight)

And a not-so-dead-end platform (WPF).

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by oscargrouch » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 5:00 PM UTC

medicine23 wrote: post #7

stekoz wrote: post #4

"Available for Mac and PC". I'd say it doesn't sound very attractive.

why

The design crowd probably are using a Mac or a Windows.. (it took me a minute to see PC = Windows, and remember this is a "machism" for Windows)

Linux is a thing mostly for coder types, and probably would want the source code attached to it.. and probably since they dont want tho share this code with us.. no Linux version for now

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by sek » Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 5:00 PM UTC

JacksonGariety wrote: post #43

Downloaded. Opened. Drew a rectangle. Filled with #FF0000. It spit this out: https://gist.github.com/JacksonGariety/6766626 (after struggling and realizing CMD+S wasn't saving my file) I feel sorry for whoever was tasked with making this application.

Who cares about what you think? Give some constructive criticism or shut up.

Do you know how much code this is for a runtime and how many browser incompatibility issues this solves.