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Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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The threat that Lodsys represents to anyone doing technology is so large that it would seem to make sense to band together. I'm thinking along the lines of creating a "Patent Defense Cooperative" where members pay a certain amount every month for the three purposes of a) patent lawsuit insurance, b) to fund lobbying efforts to reform the patent system, and c) scrutinize a judicial apparatus that seems biased in favor…

>patent lawsuit insurance Lawsuit insurance is interesting. The problem seems to be that if an insurance company is funding the defense then they have the same incentive to pay a settlement rather than fight that anyone else does, and that would just cause even more money to go into the pockets of trolls by giving them a deep pocket in the form of the insurance company, exacerbating the problem (and making the premiu…

> The problem seems to be that if an insurance company is funding the defense then they have the same incentive to pay a settlement rather than fight that anyone else does

Not true at all. The difference is that the individual needs to factor in the cost of one defense (tens of thousands of dollars at a minimum - PLUS the chance of loosing and then going out of business) versus the cost of the settlement (perhaps a few tens of thousands of dollars). Financially, it makes no sense to pursue the case.

The insurance pool needs to factor in the cost of ONE defense (tens of thousands of dollars at a minimum -- PLUS the chance of loosing and then owing a court's determination of a "reasonable cost" for licensing the patent for all the pool's clients) versus the cost of ALL the settlements (a few tens of thousands of dollars times how ever many clients the pool has).

A pool doesn't need to get very big before it's financially advantageous to pursue cases you are likely to win and to settle cases you are likely to lose. (By comparison, for individual companies, the best short-term benefit is gained by settling in ALL cases.)

Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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"The judge is constrained by long-established rules. Article III of the U.S. Constitution limits the power of the federal courts to actual cases and controversies." Even if that was the case, assuming nothing bad is going on, there has to be a reason all these cases end up there. It's too frequent to be a coincidence.

The wikipedia article for the Eastern district Federal court gives a good summary without appealing to anything nefarious: Most recently, the Eastern District of Texas has seen an increase in the number of cases filed relating to patent infringement. This District has experienced an increase in the number of patent cases filed and tried, notably in the courts of Judge T. John Ward in the Marshall Division, Judge Leon…

You... managed to completely ignore the 'fast trial settings' in your TL;DR. From the perspective of a law firm, this saves an incredible amount of time and money.

Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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The texas east district stuff is fascinating. What if the app and software developers start licensing their apps with a license and technical measures explicitly excluding East Texas (or the entire state of texas, for extra safety) from the operation of the app. It could be enforced by some soft of geofencing at app startup that splashes a "You're from East Texas, our app doesn't work there" type language. Will that…

I like this idea a lot. If the population living in the causative region understands the nature of what their governing body is doing to impact and infringe upon on the rest of the world, maybe they'll change who holds the relevant positions of power. It would be great if we could do this to websites and technology in general as well. Maybe we can start with this kind of campaign [1], but utilize geo-IP targeting. [1…

Apparently geolocation is now to be a form of discrimination we can really get behind!

Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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I think the commenter's point was that simply having life tenure as a judge isn't the only potential motivation for their alleged bias toward patent trolls. That, in fact, their friends' and families' stakes in local businesses (e.g. the shell 'office' suites these patent trolls incorporate in) provide additional indirect motivation for the judges to keep the patent troll gravy train rolling. Peer pressure, especiall…

Patent troll companies spend a lot of money for shell 'office' suites? I don't think that's actually true.

http://www.marshallofficespace.com/

First thing that popped up when Googling 'tyler texas federal court office suites'

I was not saying these offices are some kind of grift, just that these cases are a big part of the local economy. The backbone of related local cottage industry. And these types of offices are just one example of that industry that is so important to these judge's and jury's community.

Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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> Don't terms like "probable" and "my hypothesis" pretty obviously make this a statement of opinion, and therefore immune to libel claims? Quite possibly. But who wants to spend the legal fees to test that? Pragmatically, it's better to stay reasonably far away from the edge of that particular cliff, lest one be propelled over the edge by a random gust of wind (or a well-placed push).

You sound like a rubbish lawyer if that is really your attitude towards it.

Practice a lot of law, do you?

Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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You sound like a rubbish lawyer if that is really your attitude towards it.

Practice a lot of law, do you?

Look, he is warning people to watch their mouths over language that clearly isn't actionable and then when challenged is saying that even if it isn't actionable it is best to stay quiet just in case. I don't need to practice law to say that this seems like really bad advice. "Don't publicly theorise about public figures" may be good general advice if you are actively being pursued by a court, however it is appallingly restrictive advice for general life.

Re: Judge tosses Apple motion, allows patent troll Lodsys to continue rampage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Practice a lot of law, do you?

Look, he is warning people to watch their mouths over language that clearly isn't actionable and then when challenged is saying that even if it isn't actionable it is best to stay quiet just in case. I don't need to practice law to say that this seems like really bad advice. "Don't publicly theorise about public figures" may be good general advice if you are actively being pursued by a court, however it is appallingl…

It clearly isn't actionable? I can rely on your legal expertise for that assessment? Had you heard of per se libel before he brought it up?

And, is that what he's saying? "Don't theorize about public figures"? That's not what I read.

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