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UK to create new cyber defence force

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Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#21
While I hope that this force would focus their attention at serious crimes, nation's attacks against nations, and espionage, my inner cynic tells me that the primary target will be 16 year old kids who DDOS the web hosting company of a government website that happens to have been done by the lowest bidder.

Basically sending the army after the nation's own kids.

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#22
This isn't going to work. I worked in the defence industry for a couple of years in an IT capacity and I'm not joking, the guys who run the shop don't know arse from elbow. Everything is run army style i.e. procedurally and non established procedures, even if they mitigate realistic threats aren't considered or accepted. They're that bad that still to this day, there are NT4 and exchange 5.5 deployments hanging around because some clueless fuck hasn't had orders to fix it.

What will happen here is they will create a team that will be written out of usefulness by procedure instantly and that is all.

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#23
One can only hope it's actually for defence, because there are already astronomical resources devoted to offence. Good defence requires clamping down all perimeter defences, and there are a lot.

If they can get defence into good shape then they'll have achieved something worth admiring.

In all likelihood the new military branch will focus on weaponizing zero-day exploits and licensing NSA's surveillance/analysis services, which is far less interesting.

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#24
post #21

While I hope that this force would focus their attention at serious crimes, nation's attacks against nations, and espionage, my inner cynic tells me that the primary target will be 16 year old kids who DDOS the web hosting company of a government website that happens to have been done by the lowest bidder. Basically sending the army after the nation's own kids.

Don't be naive, they'll be hacking into torrent websites in no time. The government is going to declare a variety of categories of targets that will be open game for sabotage and infiltration.

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#25
post #2

Sort of off-topic, but does it bug anyone else that the militaries and governments of the world continue to refer to 'cyberspace' as if 'cyber-' was current Internet jargon? (Whereas in reality I only see it used for that other thing we are supposed to be making instead of war...)

Cyberspace is distinctly separate from meatspace.

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#26
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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other word would you use? Cyber is pretty clearly defined among the people who use it. Other words are not.

> What other word would you use? Maybe not a single word, but "technology and information warfare"?

Because information warfare is an entirely different, and existing, branch of the military. Think hearts and minds operations.

They need a new term.

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

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post #2

Sort of off-topic, but does it bug anyone else that the militaries and governments of the world continue to refer to 'cyberspace' as if 'cyber-' was current Internet jargon? (Whereas in reality I only see it used for that other thing we are supposed to be making instead of war...)

If only there was a way to hack their vocabulary and disrupt the way they say things!

Re: UK to create new cyber defence force

#29

Good luck getting all the part-timers through DV!

Will they need DV? It's not like they'll be handling anything particularly secret. The reservist intelligence branches seem to have no problem getting all their people through DV, although it does take bloody ages.
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