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Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

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Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#11

This isn't a Spanish problem, it's a Southern European problem. You cannot be lazy and expect to lead a good life - the math just won't add up.

Spain has average productivity compared to the rest of the European Union, so you're plain wrong. Check out the data ok oecd.org yourself, if you're not too lazy.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#12

This isn't a Spanish problem, it's a Southern European problem. You cannot be lazy and expect to lead a good life - the math just won't add up.

Bullshit. There is exactly zero statistical correlation between the amount of work you do and the quality of life you lead. Furthermore, it is extremely hypocritical to make comments like yours.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#13

This isn't a Spanish problem, it's a Southern European problem. You cannot be lazy and expect to lead a good life - the math just won't add up.

Is there anything besides prejudice that makes you say that? Because reports and studies about my country's have consistently shown that the biggest hurdle is incompetent and poorly prepared managers (often the business owners) and institutional corruption, not lazy workers.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#14

I lived in Spain for about a year. Blame it on the time zone, but inherently the culture is "work to live" not "live to work". I miss it and sincerely cherish that country and all the great people in it.

When I entered Barcelona, my heart stayed there. Absolutely stunning city. Not to mention nearly every woman is a 9/10. I remember walking down the beach and joining a drum circle, started playing guitar with them. Someone passes me a joint, the cops roll by, and I tried to play it cool by putting it out and walking really fast away from the circle. I realized nobody was with me, I look back, cops talking to everyone, laughing, asking how their night is. I walked back like an idiot, the cop laughed at me and told me to take a seat, then they just strolled along. Such a small event felt so surreal.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

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Hogwash. What about the higher productivity of Scandinavians? They shift back and forth on "time-zones" due to the constant change of amount of light because of the very hash winter. Sometimes with as few as 3 hours of light, not sun, but still maintain the same level of productivity. Currently, Spanish primetime stretches until after midnight <- Well what about making less time for primetime? Or less siestas?

The so called (in English) "siesta", which in Spanish would be just "the lunch break", is a compulsory long break in many professions. Many would rather close shop at 5 or 6 than at 9pm, but everyone has to do it at once or it won't work.

The solution most would expect to succeed is a legal one: I know of a dev shop that could easily switch to a 9-5 schedule, as many banks and civil servants have already, but it has to keep a split timetable just because management wants it so.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#16
It looks like about half of the countries in that little map are off of their natural time zone by at least as much as Spain. Including basically all of the former Soviet Union, except the Ukraine and Baltics. And Iceland. And, well, France, which mostly overlaps Spain time-zone-wise.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#18
Ha! I thought they were going to say that Spain should be in the Eastern Timezone of the United States.

Seriously, the Spaniards I worked with were up until 2am regularly - and the country eats dinner at 10pm at the earliest - yet get up for a 9am workday. Is there any doubt why they are tired?

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

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Hogwash. What about the higher productivity of Scandinavians? They shift back and forth on "time-zones" due to the constant change of amount of light because of the very hash winter. Sometimes with as few as 3 hours of light, not sun, but still maintain the same level of productivity. Currently, Spanish primetime stretches until after midnight <- Well what about making less time for primetime? Or less siestas?

The so called (in English) "siesta", which in Spanish would be just "the lunch break", is a compulsory long break in many professions. Many would rather close shop at 5 or 6 than at 9pm, but everyone has to do it at once or it won't work. The solution most would expect to succeed is a legal one: I know of a dev shop that could easily switch to a 9-5 schedule, as many banks and civil servants have already, but it has…

I know successful people who took advantage and opened his own shop earlier and closed later.

Re: Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired: Spain is in the wrong time zone

#20

I lived in Spain for about a year. Blame it on the time zone, but inherently the culture is "work to live" not "live to work". I miss it and sincerely cherish that country and all the great people in it.

Perhaps that was more of a culture coping mechanism?

With an unemployment rate of a staggering 50% for those under 25, and with 68% of them leaving Spain to find work, and 12% overall unemployment for everyone else: that sounds like a lot of people that don't even have a job.

That's not a good thing, perhaps the attitude of work to live, as said previously, is more of a coping mechanism. Otherwise, maybe this is at the core of their unemployment problems? The more I read about their labor laws, it just sounds bad in Spain. And the youth unemployment problem sounds like a disaster in the making.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–13_Spanish_financial_crisi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–13_Spanish_financial_crisi...

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