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Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what fervor means here, but in 2009 F1 events had a total attendance of about 2.8 million. Whereas NASCAR had a total attendance of about 3.8 million.

Got any TV numbers to compare? In 2009 F1 breached 600 million. (First figure I found) NASCAR? I couldn't find a number to quote. Also, how many F1 races? How many NASCAR races? Im not sure attendance compares.

Nascar also runs about 10-12 more races per year than F1.

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Bernie Ecclestone is F1: he made it into something more than motor racing by negotiating the sale of the TV rights for the benefit of all of the teams (and his pocket).

For FE to eclipse F1 then something major has to happen with the TV rights. At the moment it does not look like FE will have the big star names and the legendary teams. Even if the racing is really good then it will need more than that 'natural appeal' - there is plenty of good racing in lesser formulas as it is but this does not translate to a sizeable TV audience of avid fans. F1 has great spectacle value that no other formula has, FE will struggle to attain that and will consequently be an also-ran formula.

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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And just as its premier race series has helped drive innovation in the engines, brakes, suspension and aerodynamics of everyday cars are there any statistics / studies on this kind of thing? or the similar claim from space exploration? i don't dispute there are useful advances, but i wonder whether they would have been made anyway (perhaps at a lower overall cost, if "cost" can be at all well defined). [edit: i see f…

Brakes and Tires are two big things where advances have come from racing. Audi's FSI technology was originally built for the Audi R8 LMP.

Amusingly: Audi didn't tell anyone about FSI until after the chequered flag. "Oh, by the way guys, we used this unproven technology and just won."

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Given the recent little rifts in the AGW-climate observations, what are the odds that the whole electric car movement loses steam within the next ten years?

AGW or no, I don't know many people betting fuel prices [1] will go anywhere but up.

[1] http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52645000/gif/_52645454...

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Rival? No. Leaving aside the massive world wide following and it's deep history and legends... What will continue to happen is that F1 will get more and more electric over time. The new regs for 2014 are for a smaller engine, supplemented by larger KERS, pushing for fuel efficiency. Long term, I see that trend continuing. Burning up shed loads of fossil fuels to merely race will get more and more difficult while norm…

F1 has been pushing for fuel efficiency, however, costs continue to rise. It's a problem in F1.

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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post #16

Rival? No. Leaving aside the massive world wide following and it's deep history and legends... What will continue to happen is that F1 will get more and more electric over time. The new regs for 2014 are for a smaller engine, supplemented by larger KERS, pushing for fuel efficiency. Long term, I see that trend continuing. Burning up shed loads of fossil fuels to merely race will get more and more difficult while norm…

F1 has been pushing for fuel efficiency, however, costs continue to rise. It's a problem in F1.

Specialized labor, specialized materials. Teams wanting "cool factor" for support infrastructure. And driver salaries.

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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post #16

Rival? No. Leaving aside the massive world wide following and it's deep history and legends... What will continue to happen is that F1 will get more and more electric over time. The new regs for 2014 are for a smaller engine, supplemented by larger KERS, pushing for fuel efficiency. Long term, I see that trend continuing. Burning up shed loads of fossil fuels to merely race will get more and more difficult while norm…

> There is a chance that FE, if run and marketed right could be made to appeal to the Need for Speed generation.

My god, that entire paragraph is genius, I am not particularly NSF but even I have fond memories of a few of those games and you could certainly turn it into a travelling festival of racing / gamer culture.

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Given the recent little rifts in the AGW-climate observations, what are the odds that the whole electric car movement loses steam within the next ten years?

AGW or no, I don't know many people betting fuel prices [1] will go anywhere but up. [1] http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52645000/gif/_52645454...

You probably don't know many people who bet on fuel prices then. The current price is the best guess for the future price, and that's true with both oil and gasoline. This means that there is almost always a 50/50 chance that any future price will be higher or lower (barring seasonal adjustments, of course).

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob...

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/crude-oil/light-sweet...

"With the combination of new supplies of oil, an aging U.S. population and the permanent demand destruction we have seen means that baring [sic] a major disruption of global supply gas prices have put in what should be a historic peak."

http://www.futuresmag.com/2013/04/09/gasoline-sees-calls-for...

Re: Could Formula E ever rival Formula 1?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brakes and Tires are two big things where advances have come from racing. Audi's FSI technology was originally built for the Audi R8 LMP.

Amusingly: Audi didn't tell anyone about FSI until after the chequered flag. "Oh, by the way guys, we used this unproven technology and just won."

They have done that a couple times, Variable Turbine Geometry comes to mind.
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