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Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

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SRS software (I mostly used Anki) was invaluable to me when I was learning Japanese, both for vocabulary and the kanji.

I always wanted to make my own SRS, one that had ease of use , stability and data integrity at its core rather than cutting edge features. This year I finally set aside time to make it: feel free to try it out and let me know what you think. It is very simple (there is only one deck), but multiple decks will be the next feature to be added.

http://benkyo.co

On top of that platform is an implementation of a rather interesting way to learn Japanese reading which it would also be great to have feedback on:

http://benkyo.co/iikanji/

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

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The danger is that it's very possible to memorize 100s of answers like this without having any idea of how the code is working. Imagine if instead of static flashcards there the SRS worked on items like: - puts - the '+' operator - variables - functions Then an algorithm would generate problems incorporating those concepts. The exact same problem would never appear twice so you can't learn by rote and it ensures you…

I agree, for a lot of algorithmic bits of knowledge, it's better to study a dynamic set of questions revolving around the algorithm, and that's almost the same example I give in http://www.gwern.net/Spaced%20repetition#prospects-extended-... But so far no one has stepped up and done the programming & card writing to demonstrate it, aside from perhaps Khan Academy (they generate questions, AFAIK, and are supposed to h…

I am a co-founder of Lymboo Math (http://lymboo.com) We designed Lymboo Math to be a comprehensive, structured, and rigorous math enrichment program. While most programs focus only on short-term mastery of math concepts, Lymboo Math's emphasis is on both short-term proficiency and long-term retention. We do this by incorporating spiral reviews at periodic intervals. Our spiral reviews are 'spaced' both in time and in content, i.e., students are assessed on multiple topics in the same test. The mixed spiral reviews improve students' context switching skills and at the same time enhance retention of learned concepts.

You can learn more about our philosophy here: http://lymboo.com/about and http://lymboo.com/tour

Thanks. Bala

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

#93

I've been using Anki for learning Japanese. I've particularly appreciated the decks that include audio of complete sentences and have found that it has greatly improved my ability to understand spoken language. One thing that I've wondered is whether it is a good idea to try to think up mnemonics for tricky words when using spaced repetition. It certainly seems effective in helping recall but I worry that I might tra…

From my personal experience, using such a method doesn't cause problems. I studied the kana using Heisig's Remembering the Kana, where it connects each character and pronunciation to a mnemonic story. I'm long past the point where I actually need the stories to read kana, the sounds are simply tied to the characters now, with the stories available for recall if i have a brain flub and can't remember one for a bit.

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

#94
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I've been using SRS (anki, ankiweb, ankidroid) for almost four years now. I'm up to 4000 Japanese sentence cards and my amazement is constant. When I started I thought I was fooling myself, there was no way I'd be able to read real quantities of Japanese. Instead I can now read the manga for the anime I watched as a kid and enjoy the stories I thought had ended. I've gotten into a rhythm, four new sentences per day w…

I have been using SRS to learn Mandarin Chinese for the last 2 years now and I can also verify it is extremely effective when used correctly, and when understanding its' advantages and limitations. I think sentences are also a much better way to learn than learning single vocabulary words, because they show the usage of the word in context. This is very important for speaking naturally and idiomatically. Once you get…

I am using Pleco on my phone as an SRS for Mandarin. (Setting it up to be a proper SRS hurts, though.)

The absolutely great thing about Pleco is that it is a great dictionary app and a document reader in the same app. When you see the solution of a flash card, it usually includes a handful of example sentences. You can then tap on words in these sentences and see their definition again... It is a little like getting stuck in Wikipedia - sometimes I spend half an hour only reading examples starting from my current flashcard.

I have no solid statistics on this, but I feel that the context really helps me to memorise things :)

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

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The Power of Habit and http://tinyhabits.com/ are both great.

That sounds like such a scam, the wording is the same as every "With these easy steps, you'll feel better and be more fit!" program I've encountered. Not saying it is a scam, but I'm weary of clicking through.

If you're talking about Tiny Habits, I can vouch for it since I took it end of March this year. Of course my word's not worth much but BJ Fogg does explain about the method on his blog: http://www.foggmethod.com/#large-media and http://www.behaviormodel.org/ so in that sense it isn't like the "fitness/attract opposite sex" programs (scams) you talk about where everything is hidden and shrouded in mystery.

It's all automated via email, so it can be free. It is quite simple and effective but applying the rules in a general sense is something you'll have to master over time.

Also although BJ Fogg has my email address, he's never tried to sell me anything after the program finished, even though I note from his updated site he's got a new certification to be a coach program going on.

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

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I use Anki every day. I think part of the project is in learning how to use it best. I have little interest in learning word-of-the-day or country names. I am more interested in learning new skills, and I shared the concern that it wouldn't work so well for that. I think it's doing all right though. Here are some of the decks I'm most proud of: - Using lilypond snippets and a midi-to-wav generator, I wrote a perl scr…

How much of a music theory background did you have before you started making those cards? What do you think is the minimum someone needs to know to be able to benefit from making such a deck?

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

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Spaced repetition is great for material which is divided into very small chunks and where you have a ton of time for comparatively little information (Vocabulary, especially in languages you are not learning for a degree). Problems arise in practical situations when you want to pass an exam. Or a couple of them in a certain period of time. Proponents of SR will say that it takes at least 6 times the amount of time/ef…

This is a bug with exams (and if you're in a situation where you need to cram, your study habits), not with spaced repetition. The fact that it's harder to pass exams while using learning strategies that enable long term retention is one of the main reasons for the disparity between academic achievement and actual competence.

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

#98
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Spaced repetition, also known as rote memorization, is a terrible way to "learn" anything. The trouble is, you aren't learning at all, you're hacking your brain to force information into it that has no relevance and really doesn't want to be there. It's not a useful or pleasurable activity. It definitely won't make you smarter. Even Mr. Supermemo himself admitted that after FIVE YEARS of constant daily marathon memor…

Critical thinking and memorization are not intrinsically at odds with each other. Rather, they are separate tools that are powerful when used together. If your critical thinking is strong, it can be used instead of memorization, but relying on this is a crutch, and it hurts you in the long run.

I fell into this trap in math classes all the time. My exams would be covered in work where I would do something like reinventing the chain rule from the definition of the derivative. The definition of the derivative is elegant and obvious in its workings, and therefore easy to remember based on critical thinking. The chain rule commonly useful, but it's a special case, and the end result is opaque. So I wouldn't remember it, and I'd just figure it out from scratch on test day.

As it turned out, that got me plenty far. But my grades would have been better if, having understood how to derive it, I had cached it in long term memory. I would have made fewer mistakes, had less work to check, and more time to check it.

These days the same thing happens when I'm working on a math problem for practical purposes. I don't have a lot of these formulas committed to memory, so instead of spending time on actually solving the problem I have, I have to spend time rebuilding math from scratch.

It's the same basic concept as caching and memoization in programming. It would be a mistake to write every function as a giant look up table to handle each parameter combination. But if your code keeps calling the same expensive pure function with the same parameters, you can greatly speed it up by caching the result.

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

#99
post #91

SRS software (I mostly used Anki) was invaluable to me when I was learning Japanese, both for vocabulary and the kanji. I always wanted to make my own SRS, one that had ease of use , stability and data integrity at its core rather than cutting edge features. This year I finally set aside time to make it: feel free to try it out and let me know what you think. It is very simple (there is only one deck), but multiple d…

iikanji looks good, but have you seen wanikani? The concept seems similar. http://www.wanikani.com/ Some feedback: I know how to read all of the stuff I tried (the first 10 kanji), mostly thanks to wanikani. But I haven't studied much gramar, so I'm not always sure what the sentences mean. You should probably add translations for these in the back of the cards.

Re: Spaced repetition for study and learning

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I've been using SRS (anki, ankiweb, ankidroid) for almost four years now. I'm up to 4000 Japanese sentence cards and my amazement is constant. When I started I thought I was fooling myself, there was no way I'd be able to read real quantities of Japanese. Instead I can now read the manga for the anime I watched as a kid and enjoy the stories I thought had ended. I've gotten into a rhythm, four new sentences per day w…

I've previously had good experiences with ProVoc (and now iVocabulary, a fork of ProVoc) but stopped using it and instead use Duolingo now because I lacked a good flashcard resource. I didn't have the time to think up new flashcards and learn them on a regular basis. Where do you get your sentences from for Anki? Is there a good repository online that you'd recommend (preferably with some kind of community review)?

Speaking about 'repositories of sentences', you can try Tatoeba.org. It’s not without its faults, but it’s a fairly large downloadable (CC-BY) database of translated sentences.
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