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Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by danmaz74 »

melange wrote: post #50
danmaz74 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only cited it because it was a favorite argument when Android started to grow in the smartphones space - "but Apple gets almost all the profits"...

That is true. And is clearly true in the tablet space too (as well as PCs). It's just a lot more nuanced in both directions. Android can have higher unit share and 'inferior' products while Apple can have higher profit share and the 'best' (single inflexible) product, almost indefinitely because they are satisfying different needs. Which raises the question: where is there actual competition? Clearly Samsung and Appl…

Yes, and I have no problem with that. I don't wish Apple to fail - I just don't want it to dominate the market alone.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by melange »

danmaz74 wrote: post #51
melange wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is true. And is clearly true in the tablet space too (as well as PCs). It's just a lot more nuanced in both directions. Android can have higher unit share and 'inferior' products while Apple can have higher profit share and the 'best' (single inflexible) product, almost indefinitely because they are satisfying different needs. Which raises the question: where is there actual competition? Clearly Samsung and Appl…

Yes, and I have no problem with that. I don't wish Apple to fail - I just don't want it to dominate the market alone.

Given that Apple are nowhere near doing that and don't seem to be even going for that, why is that even a concern?

We have far more of a problem with Google in that regard, who do absolutely dominate search, and have clearly stated their wish to unseat Apple in order to have total dominance of mobile too.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by danmaz74 »

melange wrote: post #52
danmaz74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and I have no problem with that. I don't wish Apple to fail - I just don't want it to dominate the market alone.

Given that Apple are nowhere near doing that and don't seem to be even going for that, why is that even a concern? We have far more of a problem with Google in that regard, who do absolutely dominate search, and have clearly stated their wish to unseat Apple in order to have total dominance of mobile too.

Well, considering their patent litigations, I wouldn't say that Apple try to do that.

As for Google, I'm less worried because there is much less lock-in, both in search and with an OS that is mostly open sourced.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

#54

Post by slindz »

halostatue wrote: post #37
psbp wrote: post #24

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I enjoy using my Nexus 7 over my iPad mini and 3rd generation iPad. The apps aren't at parity, but I think the OS is a lot more fluid and easy to navigate.

My Nexus 7 is sitting in its dock, as it has been for the last six weeks except for maybe a few minutes a week. I bought one of the original 16GB Nexus 7s; the battery life sucks; the responsiveness made my iPhone 3GS running iOS 5 look good. I commonly tell those who ask that the Nexus 7 is one of the worst technology purchases I’ve made in the last ten years (the worst before that would have been the Compaq iPaq in…

I just got the Nexus 7 LTE (2013), and I can already feel the dust collecting on my retina iPad, and to a lesser degree, my iPhone 4.

For me, the extra responsiveness makes all the difference. It feels like any extra battery life I'm gaining with the iPad is spent waiting for it to do things.

This is my first Android device, in a home full of Apple products.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by ChuckMcM »

laureny wrote: post #14
Zigurd wrote: post #10

The tablet market is not like the phone market. In many ways, it will be easier for Android to gain market share, since the channel isn't controlled by carriers in some markets. Any OEM can enter this business, and many many will. Tablets are the post PC device, and the skip-the-PC device. Tablets will be the inexpensive personal internet access device for Asian markets that now rely on internet cafes. Apple will tak…

> Tablets are the post PC device, and the skip-the-PC device. It really depends what people mean by "post". If it's post as in "will replace", then it's nonsense: laptops and desktops are going to be around for a very long time. If it's "will complement the laptop/desktop market", then I completely agree.

That is the relevant question. (What does Post-PC mean?)

Looking back at the PC 'revolution' we see that initially computers were in the office and not so much at home. And if they were at home there was only 1 and generally shared.

But what PC's did was create a place you could deliver an application (the PC provided input/output/storage) for the marginal cost of the software bits (which is quite small). So a tremendous number of companies sprang up to deliver those applications since the rate of return is quite high.

As PC's migrated home, they did so primarily as an application vehicle and less so as a tool. This is markedly different than most of the readership of this site (which uses computers as tools) but it is far and away the largest use for computers in the home and individually owned computers.

The programability came at a price however, it made compatibility challenging (bad mojo to have your app not work on your customers machine) and it enabled a threat to undesired programming (viruses, worms, etc) running on it.

For the biggest chunk of the market, the customer's ideal device has no programmability capability outside an application's need for configuration, no way for any application to interfere with another application, and rock solid compatibility. Sort of the 'game console' equivalent of information appliance.

Apple, Google, and Microsoft are all gunning for that space (and apparently so is Valve :-). Apple's approach is an appliance OS (iOS) and a developer OS (MacOS), Google's approach is an appliance OS (ChromeOS) and developer tools (Chrome, AppEngine, Etc.), Microsoft has the developer OS (Windows) with what might be called the third attempt at an appliance version (Windows RT) (previously Windows CE and Windows Embedded).

If these efforts mature the way their respective owners would like, the bulk of the "computers" out there will be information/data appliances running their appliance environment. Computers will go back to something nerds, scientists. and engineers use and "regular" people ignore.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by melange »

danmaz74 wrote: post #53
melange wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that Apple are nowhere near doing that and don't seem to be even going for that, why is that even a concern? We have far more of a problem with Google in that regard, who do absolutely dominate search, and have clearly stated their wish to unseat Apple in order to have total dominance of mobile too.

Well, considering their patent litigations, I wouldn't say that Apple try to do that. As for Google, I'm less worried because there is much less lock-in, both in search and with an OS that is mostly open sourced.

Search is entirely locked in.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by danmaz74 »

melange wrote: post #56
danmaz74 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, considering their patent litigations, I wouldn't say that Apple try to do that. As for Google, I'm less worried because there is much less lock-in, both in search and with an OS that is mostly open sourced.

Search is entirely locked in.

How so? Switching is just an URL away...

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by mamcx »

Touche wrote: post #29
badman_ting wrote: post #8

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Also relevant: the dates of those posts.

Those posts were making statements about the future, and both were unequivocally wrong.

that the tablet market doesn’t today* look anything like the smartphone market ever did.

That was correct back then. Also the smartphone market is defined by several competing platforms, form-factors, tech and capabilities.

The tablet market is defined by the iPad, and the android trying to be the iPad.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by melange »

danmaz74 wrote: post #57
melange wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search is entirely locked in.

How so? Switching is just an URL away...

Gibberish.

There is no alternative URL to click on because a competitive global search engine would cost billions of dollars to build, the space is deeply encumbered by Google's giant patent portfolio, and the information used to build the index is to a great extent no longer available on the web.

That's why Bing is a distant second and there are no other players.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by danmaz74 »

melange wrote: post #59
danmaz74 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Switching is just an URL away...

Gibberish. There is no alternative URL to click on because a competitive global search engine would cost billions of dollars to build, the space is deeply encumbered by Google's giant patent portfolio, and the information used to build the index is to a great extent no longer available on the web. That's why Bing is a distant second and there are no other players.

Gibberish? Do you know what "vendor lock in" means at all? Your points have nothing to do with that.
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