Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS • Hacker News Board

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by Touche » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 4:05 PM UTC

programminggeek wrote: post #33

Minor point, but from a business perspective, this isn't helping hardware vendors. They are selling a nearly zero margin product. Apple's taking the profits, everyone else is fighting for the leftovers, the unprofitable part of the market. This is to be expected from the flood of $100 Android tablets, but to be honest this isn't hurting Apple, this is hurting Microsoft. Apple has their very profitable segment of the…

It's definitely hurting Apple, their margins are dropping as well. They released the iPad Mini in response to the popularity of smaller tablets and they make less margins on that device. Their sales overall have declined as well: http://www.macworld.com/article/2045056/profits-dip-again-fo...

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by Zigurd » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 4:06 PM UTC

dualogy wrote: post #31

smtddr wrote: post #21

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Nah, the only people who actually need a laptop/desktop instead of a tablet+bluetoothKeyboard are people who need a lot more power than tablets can provide today. So that's digital artists, developers with their VMware/VirtualBox/etc and servers. I look to my non-techie dad(though he use to do those punch-card stuff) as an example; got him an iPad and the only thing he misses from his previous laptops is the keyboard…

> the only people who actually need a laptop/desktop instead of a tablet+bluetoothKeyboard are people who need a lot more power than tablets can provide today So anyone developing mobile apps then ;)

AIDE keeps getting better. There are some things, like GUI-builders, that are devilishly hard to do in a cross-development environment. There is nothing fundamental blocking native development on Android.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by psbp » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 4:08 PM UTC

halostatue wrote: post #37

psbp wrote: post #24

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I enjoy using my Nexus 7 over my iPad mini and 3rd generation iPad. The apps aren't at parity, but I think the OS is a lot more fluid and easy to navigate.

My Nexus 7 is sitting in its dock, as it has been for the last six weeks except for maybe a few minutes a week. I bought one of the original 16GB Nexus 7s; the battery life sucks; the responsiveness made my iPhone 3GS running iOS 5 look good. I commonly tell those who ask that the Nexus 7 is one of the worst technology purchases I’ve made in the last ten years (the worst before that would have been the Compaq iPaq in…

I don't have the original, it's the 2013. I've heard 4.3 fixes the lag issues with the original. Battery life lasts more than a day for me, and it only has noticeable responsiveness problems when I quickly scroll down web pages.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by sogen » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 4:16 PM UTC

benihana wrote: post #13

Stories like this are interesting me because while sales numbers show Android doing well, usage numbers from all over the internet seem to indicate that not many people are actually using their Android tablets, at least not in the numbers people are using iPads. And then you read the last paragraph and wonder why you just wasted your time with this linkbait article. > And while Android appears to be making headway ag…

thanks

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by adrianlmm » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 4:18 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #17

adrianlmm wrote: post #12

I own an Asus TS300 tablet, and one thing comes to my mind, Android is mediocre, I've tried the iPad and the Surface and their quality is 10 times better, so I presume this numbers are due the cheap $59 tablets that have become popular, but just for the price.

The article claims the average selling price of non-iPad tablets (which must be 99% Android) increased by 17%, while the iPad mini pulled the iPad ASP down by the same amount, so your theory is at odds with the facts.

the iPad mini it may be mini, but is still expensive, and from my own empirical experience, 9 out of 10 tablets I see in the user hands are cheap $59 devices.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by halostatue » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 5:07 PM UTC

psbp wrote: post #43

halostatue wrote: post #37

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My Nexus 7 is sitting in its dock, as it has been for the last six weeks except for maybe a few minutes a week. I bought one of the original 16GB Nexus 7s; the battery life sucks; the responsiveness made my iPhone 3GS running iOS 5 look good. I commonly tell those who ask that the Nexus 7 is one of the worst technology purchases I’ve made in the last ten years (the worst before that would have been the Compaq iPaq in…

I don't have the original, it's the 2013. I've heard 4.3 fixes the lag issues with the original. Battery life lasts more than a day for me, and it only has noticeable responsiveness problems when I quickly scroll down web pages.

My Nexus is horribly laggy on a lot of things (and if I ever have more than one tab open in Chrome, the tablet is damned near unusable), even with 4.3; the battery life for me is measured in hours.

For me, it’s a little worse because the software is still so far behind in terms of availability and usability—there’s so very little that the Nexus does better than my iPhone 4 that I don’t want to use it.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by psbp » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 5:22 PM UTC

halostatue wrote: post #46

psbp wrote: post #43

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I don't have the original, it's the 2013. I've heard 4.3 fixes the lag issues with the original. Battery life lasts more than a day for me, and it only has noticeable responsiveness problems when I quickly scroll down web pages.

My Nexus is horribly laggy on a lot of things (and if I ever have more than one tab open in Chrome, the tablet is damned near unusable), even with 4.3; the battery life for me is measured in hours. For me, it’s a little worse because the software is still so far behind in terms of availability and usability—there’s so very little that the Nexus does better than my iPhone 4 that I don’t want to use it.

You might have a bad unit. Mine is just iteration 2 and I have none of these problems. It's pretty quick.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by melange » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 5:43 PM UTC

danmaz74 wrote: post #30

simonh wrote: post #27

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You mean how their margins in iPods and phones and desktop computers have .... er ... What was your point again?

No I mean how their share of the profits in phones have come down. profits != margin

Share is pretty much meaningless, and assumes a zero sum game of direct competition.

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by danmaz74 » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 5:51 PM UTC

melange wrote: post #48

danmaz74 wrote: post #30

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No I mean how their share of the profits in phones have come down. profits != margin

Share is pretty much meaningless, and assumes a zero sum game of direct competition.

I only cited it because it was a favorite argument when Android started to grow in the smartphones space - "but Apple gets almost all the profits"...

Re: Research: Android taking over the tablet market from iOS

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Post by melange » Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 6:50 PM UTC

danmaz74 wrote: post #49

melange wrote: post #48

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Share is pretty much meaningless, and assumes a zero sum game of direct competition.

I only cited it because it was a favorite argument when Android started to grow in the smartphones space - "but Apple gets almost all the profits"...

That is true. And is clearly true in the tablet space too (as well as PCs). It's just a lot more nuanced in both directions.

Android can have higher unit share and 'inferior' products while Apple can have higher profit share and the 'best' (single inflexible) product, almost indefinitely because they are satisfying different needs.

Which raises the question: where is there actual competition?

Clearly Samsung and Apple are competing for some of the same customers, but the overlap is small compared to the overall market.