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Yes, that's my point. What had formerly been an exclusively "conservative" position became a matter of complete hegemony. Obama has pretty much pissed off most of the constituency that formerly called itself "liberal".
Wiretapping and spying has been a "liberal" position (by the conventional definition, not necessarily lukifers) at least since the Clinton era. Republicans got on board with this only in the Bush era. Joe Biden's reaction to the Patriot Act was simply to protest that Ashcroft just copied his 1996 bill.
If You Live Near Other People, You're Probably a Democrat.
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> Or am I misinterpreting something here? To be brief, yes. Conservationism has historically been associated with a strong central government, under the belief that a selected group of suitable people are better at governing than the general population. The definition of "suitable" has changed throughout the years: typical examples are "King chosen by divine right" or "general with enough troops to seize the capital"…
I think you wrote "conservationism" where you meant "conservatism"...
Looks like it's too late to edit my post.
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Subject to debate, and everyone's gonna want to think that their "side" is the most enlightened... (end disclaimer) I think a lot of liberals see conservatives as authoritarian in that they support the police/military parts of government. Even your tea party libertarians tend to see the police/military as 'our people', culturally speaking and as a necessary part of the state philosophically speaking. Liberals tend to…
I'm not a member of either side - I'm solidly in the camp of the radical individualist libertarians, both politically and in terms of survival strategy. I'm curious where you get the idea that liberals distrust the police/military. I certainly haven't observed this trend. Liberals tend to favor disarming everyone except the police/military, for example, while conservatives want to retain the ability of their communit…
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Probably. Church's and families are "authority" and have a "hierarchy". Respect the church, respect your elders. The organizations generally have rules and procedures. You might need to pay to be apart, or there might be other restrictions. Liberals don't see the state as an authority, but rather, the community. After all, the people you are working with are literally neighbors, locals, friends. This also works with…
As far as I'm aware, most modern American protestants don't believe in doing whatever your parents or pastor tell you. They view the church as voluntary organizations people can join to help them be better people and get closer to god. Similarly, I don't think most people view family as authority, at least once the kids get a job and move out. Admittedly, I'm culturally an extreme NY liberal, so I have little contact…
http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations
I would also debate that many people calling themselves Protestant who go to mainline churches aren't really christian except in a cultural way. Unlike their Evangelical brothers, they have a tendency to not show up at church