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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of trying to define by example, let's use an actual definition: "A title of nobility grants special legal privileges to an individual at the expense of the rest of the people." If you have a different definition, that's fine, of course. Then we're just down to semantics, and I guess you could say I'm speaking metaphorically. But I hope you're not just excluding certain titles because they don't fit the precon…

Did you just make up that definition or do you have a citation? Because that definition isn't particularly useful: for instance, any elected or appointed office would then qualify as a "title of nobility"--a police officer has the legal privilege to execute warrants, detain people, and carry arms at the expense of the rest of the people (who must subsidize his training, equipment, operating expenses, and salary). Tha…

You don't have to accuse me of lying or being dishonest. I admit the majority is on your side, but I'm more interested in accuracy than how useful something is for you.

I'm not the first person to use such a definition. Here is one from over a century ago, from an opinion in a court case from Alabama:

"To "confer a title of nobility" is to nominate to an order of persons to whom privileges are granted at the expense of the rest of the people. It is not necessarily hereditary, and the objection to it arises more from the privileges supposed to be attached than to the otherwise empty title or order. Horst v. Moses, 48 Ala. 129, 142."

Again, if you have a different definition, fine. But don't accuse me of being dishonest when it's quite clear mine is at least as valid.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of trying to define by example, let's use an actual definition: "A title of nobility grants special legal privileges to an individual at the expense of the rest of the people." If you have a different definition, that's fine, of course. Then we're just down to semantics, and I guess you could say I'm speaking metaphorically. But I hope you're not just excluding certain titles because they don't fit the precon…

Did you just make up that definition or do you have a citation? Because that definition isn't particularly useful: for instance, any elected or appointed office would then qualify as a "title of nobility"--a police officer has the legal privilege to execute warrants, detain people, and carry arms at the expense of the rest of the people (who must subsidize his training, equipment, operating expenses, and salary). Tha…

The police officer definition rather sounds like the definition of a knight(knights were required to keep the peace in their territories), except a knight got land instead of a pay check. And yeah minor elected officials carry out the same duties that minor lords carried out in their day. The primary difference between nobility and modern authority is duration, legal status and lineage.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state confers special privileges on degree holders that are denied to everyone else. It also regulates, funds, and grants degrees itself. Examples include credential requirements for many different occupations, licensing laws, and job eligibility. Of course, there are also the more "unofficial" effects of these policies. Credentialism is widespread in society thanks in no small part to the massive, state-funded s…

> Examples include [degree] credential requirements for many different occupations, licensing laws, and job eligibility. Many? I can come up with law, medicine, professional engineer, architect, and CPA. What else do you have in mind?

Teachers have degree requirements for licensing. I am sure there are others.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

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Well, it may be a little different in the UK due to our many-tiered higher education system (Oxbridge, redbricks, ex-polytechnics and a moderate spectrum in between), but I'll chip in my two copper pence either way. Actually, this is a question I've thought about a little too much, I'd wager, because, as a prospective undergraduate, I actually turned down an offer to read mathematics at Cambridge and decided to study…

Having lived in both the US and the UK, I'd observe that the prestige of one's university counts for MUCH more in the UK. To an American it is unbelieveable how much Brits focus on where they went to school (at all levels) rather than their abilities--and they are correct to do so, because other Brits use schools and universities as vital credentials. It's an aspect of the class system in the UK which doesn't exist in the same way in the US (note also the discussion of "working class background" versus "upper middle class culture"--not at all the same in the US). Someone from the UK might well obsess about a degree from an elite university, but in the US any good degree gets you over the threshold and able to compete on equal terms.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

#26
I usually try not to compare myself to others too much (too many variables in life experiences make such comparisons difficult anyway). But if anything, I feel superior for having accomplished what I have with graduating from a "no-name-brand" school.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

#27
I was recently re-reading the "regrets" pamphlet by n+1 magazine (link at bottom) where the premise was to get a round-table discussion of some "intellectuals" and ask them what they regret about their education in order to provide a guide for current students in ideas of "literature, philosophy, and thought."

Some of the participants went to the Ivy League, but all of them went to highly respectable schools. There were a few points that I'd like to share.

Quite a few of the participants had a feeling like they screwed up big time in choices in their education. Not necessarily about the choice of school, but in, for example, choosing the English department instead of Literature and end up studying Theory rather than readings and after a few years they found out they missed out on Anna Karenina in favor of Foucault. This was to the extent that some of them claimed to go to masters school to make up for what they didn't do as an undergraduate, and regretted that too.

Another idea that they quickly agreed on is that the very nature of a regret is to notice what choices you should have made, and clearly it is too late to do anything about it. Yet, some of the participants were reluctant to even call them regrets. How can you call your life a regret? This is a group of people where there was no question that reading the right book at the right time would (and did) change their life, and it really wasn't a question of "for better or worse", but they would learn their lessons and are the better for it.

I suppose I'm talking about making decisions, reflecting on those decisions over time (sometimes it takes years, decades even), and then gaining a modicum of wisdom.

Feeling inferior would seem to me a common sentiment. Hasn't everyone had this feeling before? You feel like you missed out on something you may have not known existed until you had the years to figure out it was even there. Yet, I don't think you should deny yourself the line of thought that this would take you down, and it may take a long time, but I think you need to turn these feelings around to find a genuine calling/relaxedness of what you are here to do.

No affiliation with the publishers, but I highly recommend the $9 "What We Should Have Known: Two Discussions" (aka regrets) pamphlet: http://www.nplusonemag.com/pamphlet-two. It is well worth the money, especially if you are in the situation where you think you might be ready to hear their advice.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

#28
Well, I choose public rather then Ivy, but it's not far behind. I generally feel better because I choose to get a similar education without going massively into debt. I figured I'd be going for a masters, at which point it wouldn't matter.

At some point in time, I'm still thinking about getting a masters ... but Penn State would be a lot easier to get a company to pay for.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

#29

No, but I have felt inferior for not going to college. For a variety of mostly personal reasons, it didn't seem like a life-enhancing decision at the time (~25 years ago, in Ireland).

It's never too late! I went back to college and got a degree in Computer Science when I was 35.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever felt inferior for not being from a name-brand college?

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post #25

Well, it may be a little different in the UK due to our many-tiered higher education system (Oxbridge, redbricks, ex-polytechnics and a moderate spectrum in between), but I'll chip in my two copper pence either way. Actually, this is a question I've thought about a little too much, I'd wager, because, as a prospective undergraduate, I actually turned down an offer to read mathematics at Cambridge and decided to study…

Having lived in both the US and the UK, I'd observe that the prestige of one's university counts for MUCH more in the UK. To an American it is unbelieveable how much Brits focus on where they went to school (at all levels) rather than their abilities--and they are correct to do so, because other Brits use schools and universities as vital credentials. It's an aspect of the class system in the UK which doesn't exist i…

It isn't exactly ideal in the US, but I can confirm that in the UK (and in almost all other countries, really) even more emphasis is placed on credentials.
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