China to launch space station by 2023

Post by cygwin98 » Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 2:33 PM UTC

infinotize wrote: post #19

javindo wrote: post #13

Thought I'd comment before the typical anti-Chinese-Engineering brigade shows up. In my opinion, Chinese engineering is a wonder to behold in an era of modern western bureaucracy killing amazing projects. I realise Chinese politics are so far the other way they can be just as bad in different ways, but if China had the same level of bureaucracy as the west their insane Beijing-Shanghai high speed rail link would have…

The cost now in such infrastructure expansion isn't "only" the human expense of civil/personal liberties in China, it's increasingly the planet itself. The sooner China, the US, and other industralizing countries start taking that seriously, the better.

Post by infinotize » Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 2:52 PM UTC

cygwin98 wrote: post #21

infinotize wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost now in such infrastructure expansion isn't "only" the human expense of civil/personal liberties in China, it's increasingly the planet itself. The sooner China, the US, and other industralizing countries start taking that seriously, the better.

And meanwhile Fukushima has been dumping huge volumes of radioactive waste water into Pacific for the past two years, the western world seems to be OK with that. Maybe space is more valuable than oceans.

Post by ttflee » Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 2:57 PM UTC

javindo wrote: post #13

Thought I'd comment before the typical anti-Chinese-Engineering brigade shows up. In my opinion, Chinese engineering is a wonder to behold in an era of modern western bureaucracy killing amazing projects. I realise Chinese politics are so far the other way they can be just as bad in different ways, but if China had the same level of bureaucracy as the west their insane Beijing-Shanghai high speed rail link would have…

Post by ugexe » Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 3:01 PM UTC

cygwin98 wrote: post #20

podperson wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only a bit hypocritical. There are actual degrees of hypocrisy! The US constitution frequently prevents the US government (and US State governments) from enacting laws or enforcing previously enacted laws. This can be good or bad depending on your point of view, but it's a simple fact that in the US we have constitutional rights that are actually pretty potent. Do the police in China have to read people their ri…

It's only a bit hypocritical. There are actual degrees of hypocrisy! I don't get this. Did you mean there are 50% hypocrites and 90% hypocrites? And the 50% hypocrites can always laugh it out at the 90% hypocrites, because he/she may think he/she has a moral high ground due to less hypocrisy. Heck, that's mouthful.

Post by ttflee » Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 3:05 PM UTC

SCAQTony wrote: post #26

A space station is a bad investment for any country. The annual cost of the ISS is $3-billion-year. It will cost an additional 24-billion for the next 6-years to keep it up The total budget cost of the Kepler Spacecraft was $0.6-billion and discovered something like 2,740 planets outside our solar system. The Mars Science Laboratory cost was $2.5-billion and as of last month revealed that Mars once was a habitable pl…