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Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

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post #102

Do people trust StartCom? Just curious ... I always wondered why you have all these very expensive cert providers who charge a lot for SSL certs, and then this mysterious company with ties to Israel is handing them out for free? I know it's pure paranoia, but this would seem to be an excellent way to compromise a lot of SSL traffic if you were into that, and the Israelis are pretty famous for all kinds of spying acti…

It doesn't particularly matter if people trust StartSSL, it matters if browsers trust them (which they do).

There are about 100 root CAs, and something like 1000 CAs if you include intermediates (controlled by ~650 different organizations - https://www.eff.org/observatory), and browsers trust ALL of them. All it takes is one to issue a malicious cert, or to get hacked, to do a MITM attack on ANY domain without showing a browser warning.

The trustworthyness of a single CA doesn't make a difference, because if any CA isn't trustworthy then an attacker can use them instead the other ones. This is the problem with CAs, and the problem with centralized trust systems in general. There are hundreds of weak points.

But also, StartSSL does fairly thorough identity verification. I've had to send them photos of my passport and talk to them on the phone to do identity verification. It's also worth noting that it's the CA that both https://www.eff.org/ and https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/ use.

As long as there's a broken CA system, the choice of CA does not matter in the slightest as long as it's trusted by browsers. Users only care if it breaks a website with a scary warning, but if it doesn't, it doesn't matter. There's no need to spend money.

StartSSL does charge if you have more than very basic needs, like if you want multiple alt names, or if you want a wildcard. But it's still cheaper than the competition.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

#142
post #100

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What, I thought you had to pay? Yup, it says you have to pay

You have to pay for the business plan. If you're already paying for that, the SSL is free. Unless they've changed how it works and I've just gotten grandfathered in or something.

Nope, they issue it for you. I believe that's pro and up.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

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post #25
post #15

I just recently enabled SSL on my business website. It was anything but simple. First of all, I had to get a dedicated server, because a bunch of other sites were running on the same server, and the hosting company doesn't offer additional IP addresses. Then I wanted to get an SSL certificate. I picked Comodo, because they seemed to offer the cheapest full business validation certificate, but then accidentally bought…

Someone should probably point out: most of your problems were related to doing full business validation from a crappy provider. Business validation is optional and doesn't enhance the transport-layer security benefits of using SSL.

Someone should probably also point out: most of the CAs are more or less equally 'crappy'. We've been through many CAs now and none of them has a process anywhere near 'perfect'.

Btw, Comodo customer support is rather nice. We recently bought a code signing certificate from them and they walked us through the whole process via chat, worked quite well and we were done in about 30 min.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

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post #72

Is it irony that Safari considers his $0 certificate unsafe, or did he simply get what he paid for?

Safari (wel, the OSX Keychain) doesn't include StartCOM in it's Truststore -- which I'm pretty OK with. I revoke it from all my trsutstores

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

#146

For another point of view...free is what you get http://danconnor.com/post/50f65364a0fd5fd1f7000001/avoid_sta...

I tend to take people that have a running douchey commentary with a grain of salt.

Plus he was going for validation, which isn't free and is a pretty obnoxious process regardless of who you go with.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

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Except not even 99.9995% of your customers will know or care about the level of your SSL Cert. It really does not add anything to the equation. Just extra costs and work for you. It's been studied and pointed out that a green-bar does nothing to conversions and sales. I suggest skipping it always, but often times a higher business type will override the suggestion of whomever has to implement it and maintain it - sim…

I agree it shouldn't change conversions, but I would also like to see some data supporting that. I run a lot of ecommerce sites and couldn't imagine the number of transactions not dropping if I just removed my SSL from every site.

We're not discussing whether or not you should have SSL at all. We're discussing whether it's worth getting Extended Validation, displayed as a green bar in browsers. E.g. currently at https://twitter.com you get a lock icon and a green bar that says "Twitter, Inc. (US)" — that's EV. At https://www.facebook.com you only get the lock icon — no EV.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

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post #133

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That's not true. Why do you think that?

Actually it is, because you'd still have a domain pointed to an IP address listening on 443, and that IP address wouldn't know how to handle the domain that is not configured to listen on 443, so it would serve the default domain (generally the first SSL-configured domain with Apache, or 'default_server' on Nginx). This means you'll be serving a certificate for your default site 'foo.com' when you requested 'bar.org'…

Why does that matter if bar.org doesn't and isn't supposed to support HTTPS, and if there are no links to bar.org via HTTPS? In either scenario if someone manually types in https:// bar.org it's not going to work.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

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If you don't have a dedicated IP for each domain, and if you need to support clients who can't use SNI (IE on Windows XP, Android 2.x, etc.), here's a simple solution:

Use a different port number.

https://example-domain.com:12345/ is a completely different website from https://another-domain-on-same-ip:32412/.

No need for a dedicated IP address. No need for wildcard certs, SNI, or any of that fancy stuff. Sure, it's ugly. But it works with every browser (even IE6), and it's not like anybody is actually going to type that into an address bar. You'll be redirecting your HTTP website to your HTTPS website anyway, aren't you?

You can only have two of the following three: (1) shared IP, (2) pretty URLs, and (3) legacy client support. Choose which two you want to have.

Re: Switch to HTTPS Now, For Free

#150
post #6

In the switch to https everywhere, we have barely started. For every HN and wikipedia with https there are 20 websites without (and whether the ones that do https do really secure https is yet another question). Somebody should go through the top 10k websites and make a list, then repeat every few months.

Note that Wikipedia supports HTTPS, but it is not the default (yet).

Funny, it is for me: any wikipedia page redirects to its https counterpart.

E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_News redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_News .

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