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If the only thing you can talk about is programming, then it is not the girlfriend who has to learn new things.
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Having read the article, I think it would be good for you to quote something out of it that is blatantly sexist. So that your comment doesn't equal a mixed insult to the writer based on a general feeling you had at times.
Why is it "teach your girlfriend"? Why does he presume that his audience has a girlfriend who needs to be taught, rather than a boyfriend? You can't say "well he has a girlfriend so he wrote it like that" because he's not talking about him in the title, he's talking about you - he's presuming you have a girlfriend who needs to be taught, and that's sexist. I don't think it's the crime of the century, but I do think l…
Hahahah! You're one lucky guy! I have always known teaching someone programming is pretty simple (I managed to teach simple C++ to my 9-yr-old sister and also to my 74-yr-old Granny). But it was easier to teach them because my sister was too young to have the "I'll never understand that" barrier and my granny just loved the attention i was giving her so she put all her effort into learning what i was teaching her. So…
I have taught many "technologically challenged" people how to code. They say cute things like ... okay so how do I "compress" this file ... i used that "tag thingie" but its not working but they still learn it and are able to build websites sometimes even faster then the "technologically exposed". In general technologically challenged doesn't mean stupid. Its just a lack of exposure to the technologies and in time th…
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I didn't agree with anything anyone said on Twitter. Sorry, but you are mistaken on that opinion you believe I share. Don't know why you would go about imagining that I am aligned in any way to anything that I did not read. Also, there is nothing wrong with gender neutral language, it just doesn't apply to something that is told in the first person. If you find that to be not inclusive enough for you ande a standard…
I didn't say you specifically agreed with what he said on Twitter. I categorised your suggestion that using gender neutral language would be 'daft' together with his idea that it would be 'boring'. If you want to, go ahead and explain why these are such different ideas that I should not have done so. The article wasn't written in the first person, it was written as instructional and in the second person (I vs you). W…
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I didn't agree with anything anyone said on Twitter. Sorry, but you are mistaken on that opinion you believe I share. Don't know why you would go about imagining that I am aligned in any way to anything that I did not read. Also, there is nothing wrong with gender neutral language, it just doesn't apply to something that is told in the first person. If you find that to be not inclusive enough for you ande a standard…
I didn't say you specifically agreed with what he said on Twitter. I categorised your suggestion that using gender neutral language would be 'daft' together with his idea that it would be 'boring'. If you want to, go ahead and explain why these are such different ideas that I should not have done so. The article wasn't written in the first person, it was written as instructional and in the second person (I vs you). W…
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Let's not let facts get in the way of political correctness, shall we? /sarcasm Audience = programmers. Programmers = at least 90% male. I don't know what proportion have girlfriends, but we can always hope the number is pretty good.
That 90% can have boyfriends, too, you know.
(http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/american...)
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It's heavily implied in the language of the article. Chances are you're right, and if we asked the author of the article, he might say that: yeah, it works both ways, and this is just his experience. The problem is that this is an instructional article, and his language excludes the idea of female programmers completely. It doesn't mean he's a horrible person because of it. It's just that this kind of language is sti…
So you state that from your POV his language reflected that women are not people too ??? That is really great, that you had to make a throw away account to put that out there, it reflects a lot about you trying to raise issue with something you create a strawman for on the first line of your comment. "If we asked the author..." and than you present an imaginary author giving an 'apology'. That is abysmally poor and y…
I was attempting to be fair to the author, assuming his best intentions. A strawman on my part would have been to assume the worst intentions of the author.
Nowhere did I claim the author was objectifying his girlfriend. Who is projecting here, exactly?
Sexist labels? Tirade? I wasn't upset in my comment at all, nor did I label anyone. You seem to be offended, but you have failed to describe why, or to ask for explanation on my part. You have accused and judged me without quantifying your arguments in the slightest. I hope you didn't see my comment as an attack on yourself, or an attack on men, as feminist arguments are often mistaken to be). I'm sorry if I offended you, but I think I deserve a more fair and constructive dialogue than the one you've provided.
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It's heavily implied in the language of the article. Chances are you're right, and if we asked the author of the article, he might say that: yeah, it works both ways, and this is just his experience. The problem is that this is an instructional article, and his language excludes the idea of female programmers completely. It doesn't mean he's a horrible person because of it. It's just that this kind of language is sti…
Outside of that paragraph there is basically no insinuation that women cannot program. The line about rubber-ducking problems with your partner? Not gender-specific unless you've already decided he's sexist. It's about a specific woman who happens to be a political science student and learns quite a bit about programming in six months . I don't see how that implies women are incapable of it, on the contrary it claims…
^ That is exactly what I'm talking about. It may be obvious to you, but from my perspective it's exclusionary. It says this article is not meant for me. Which would be fine if not for the fact that it could absolutely be meant for me, if not for the fact that I'm a woman. Do you see what I mean? It's so hard to hard to convey this shit...
Okay, imagine there's an article called "How to teach your boyfriend to use proper hygiene". And it's written in the same way as this article, with a girl describing her own experience with her non-hygienic boyfriend, and it's written in the same instructional manner, using language that implies (however indirectly) that boyfriends in general are un-hygienic.
Wouldn't you be at least a little annoyed by the assumption? Now, what if you saw shit like that in the vast majority of content you read, online and out in the world? That's what it's like for us; especially those of us women in typically male-dominated professions. It's harder for men to see, because it doesn't affect men, and it's still very socially normative. And when we point it out, men often see it as an attack on all men. And it's not personal. Most folks have the best intentions. But I feel I need to call this shit out when I see it, because awareness invokes change. I try my best not to offend people, but I'm sick of being excluded because of my gender, when my gender make up half the damn population.
Ugh.
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Outside of that paragraph there is basically no insinuation that women cannot program. The line about rubber-ducking problems with your partner? Not gender-specific unless you've already decided he's sexist. It's about a specific woman who happens to be a political science student and learns quite a bit about programming in six months . I don't see how that implies women are incapable of it, on the contrary it claims…
"Teach your girlfriend to program" is obviously meant to be interpreted as "teach your non-programming partner to program" ^ That is exactly what I'm talking about. It may be obvious to you, but from my perspective it's exclusionary. It says this article is not meant for me. Which would be fine if not for the fact that it could absolutely be meant for me, if not for the fact that I'm a woman. Do you see what I mean?…
I also hate that women are excluded from what they want to do because of sexist bullshit. Please if this is actually sexist, point me to the exact parts or wordings that indirectly imply girlfriends in general are incapable of programming, so that I can never write a similar thing.
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"Teach your girlfriend to program" is obviously meant to be interpreted as "teach your non-programming partner to program" ^ That is exactly what I'm talking about. It may be obvious to you, but from my perspective it's exclusionary. It says this article is not meant for me. Which would be fine if not for the fact that it could absolutely be meant for me, if not for the fact that I'm a woman. Do you see what I mean?…
Other than a poor choice of title I literally cannot understand what is objectionable. But somehow it is as objectionable as claiming all men have poor hygiene? I also hate that women are excluded from what they want to do because of sexist bullshit. Please if this is actually sexist, point me to the exact parts or wordings that indirectly imply girlfriends in general are incapable of programming, so that I can never…
It starts with the title. "How to teach your girlfriend programming" immediately tells women that this article isn't for her; it's for her boyfriend, so he can teach her.
The rest of the article regularly enforces this exclusion. He's talking to men.
Almost every time he refers to his girlfriend, he says "my girl", which, in the context of a professional article, is belittling. He says "my girlfriend" twice. Never does he say "my partner", which would have made the article much more inclusive.
"Every one of them told me they don’t want a programmer girl, they said they would go crazy. But I call that bullshit. It was just their fear talking."
There is so much wrong with these sentences. Why say "programmer girl"? They are women who don't want to be programmers. Saying it was their fear talking, and calling it bullshit, invalidates these women's legitimate concern for how the people in their lives will view them if they go into this field. Their fear isn't bullshit, the expectations of our society are bullshit (for the record, a lot of expectations made of men are bullshit too).
"What’s really everyone thinking is that it is impossible to find a girl who would be good looking, intelligent, interested in programming, and above all else, interested in you, the socially awkward geek. What are the odds of getting all of that?"
This whole paragraph reinforces the fact that the author is speaking only to men. Which would be fine, if not for the fact that this is totally relevant to women as well, with partners of any sex. It's not difficult to tell your own experience, a perspective of your own gender, and relate it to everyone.
"But let me tell you a secret brother, she doesn’t need to know all of this stuff. Everything in life can be learned."
Here again. How can you not see this?
"You can explain pointers, manual memory management, stack & heap allocation, garbage collection and much more in just a couple of hours if you chose the right metaphors."
So women can't understand these concepts without metaphors? Come on, man. And yes, he is talking about women, because it is expressed over and over that this article is for men, and it's about their girlfriends.
"But what if you had knives and wanted to teach your girl how to sort them (obviously by size)? You might have to do it two or three times for her to really believe you that it works, but the algorithm itself is stupidly simple."
What the fuck, dude. Sorting knives? The kitchen is aREALLY bad choice of setting for your first example of what a girl might want to program. Oh and don't forget that it might take two or three times for her to believe that you've done it. Sexist.
"It will be easy for her to understand once you find the right metaphor."
Sexist.
"The biggest obstacle here I would say is breaking the I would never understand that fear."
Invalidating, demeaning.
"to make some animations on her personal website that I made."
There is no reason to tell us that he made the website for her. It's a small thing, but it reinforces everything else. Mentioning it in this article is just unprofessional, and makes his girlfriend seem like a bimbo who couldn't do it herself if she tried.
"Basically I’m able to take what I know, extract the important things, throw away the 99.5% of wasted time on figuring out what is important and just teach her what she needs to know."
Her, she. More reinforcement. At this point in the article the author seems like he's trying to impress, and he's doing it at the expense of his girlfriend. He could easily have changed his language to reflect a more sincere and inclusive article. I will illustrate this by editing that paragraph.
"Basically, you want to convey the important information, and avoid the time that would be wasted for someone figuring this out on their own. Teach only what needs to be learned."
Personally, I disagree with his teaching method, but at least now the language is constructive and inclusive.
Look, I could cover the rest, but I have to go to work, and I'm sure you get the point. Remember too that all of this is caked deep in the historical and current context of the exclusion of women. I'm not saying the author is a terrible person for writing this, I'm just pointing out that his language excludes women and implies their technical inferiority.
And so it's sexist.