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Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by nknighthb »

gaius wrote: post #77
kunai wrote: post #68

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This is false and misleading. ThinkPads, while the new ones aren't too much to my taste, are better-constructed, more fully-featured, and more understated than MacBooks. On the AIO side, there are plenty of desktops from Dell and Lenovo that compete quite well. I'm really sick of how every tiniest bit of Apple news is upvoted to the front page. When did a thousand fanboys join HN? I thought this forum was supposed to…

Yes for a long time, Thinkpads have been of comparable build quality to MBPs, whether you like the "design" (as opposed to, the design) is entirely subjective. Kudos to Lenovo for not letting the build quality slip.

I just looked at Lenovo's site. I see plastic cases with mechanical latches. This is not "comparable build quality".

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by jasonlotito »

threeseed wrote: post #38
rickdale wrote: post #14

I own and love my 27inch iMac. It exemplifies the quote from Apple's senior vice president: “iMac continues to be the example that proves how beautiful, fast and fun a desktop computer can be,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. " But as someone that doesn't like to mess with hardware too often, I am very disappointed at how difficult it is to change a simple hard drive on thi…

It's all pretty simple really. The number of people who want more hard disk space and aren't willing to use an external drive is small. So small in fact that it isn't worth Apple's time to design a computer specifically catered to them.

> So small in fact that it isn't worth Apple's time to design a computer specifically catered to them.

Apple never appreciated it when other companies treated them in the same manner.

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by Qerub »

gr2020 wrote: post #50
mej10 wrote: post #43

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I agree. I was glad to find that it is easy to upgrade the RAM, it would be awesome if the hard drive was just as easy. I ended up going the external thunderbolt SSD upgrade route, since I didn't really feel comfortable pulling apart my expensive new computer. It works great, but has obvious down sides.

What obvious downsides are you referring to? In the past it was performance, but that's not an issue with thunderbolt...

I have the same setup with an external Thunderbolt SSD (from LaCie). I'm aware of the following downsides:

* The only Thunderbolt port on my 2011 iMac is occupied.

* I can accidentally remove my system disk if I'm clumsy (and crash my system).

* I can't hide the disk and can see it if I stand beside the desk.

No biggies in other words. Very happy with the setup.

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by post_break »

bsimpson wrote: post #48
Pxtl wrote: post #30

I'm mostly disappointed in how poor the Win32-based hardware vendors are at following Apple's lead. Apple is narrowing the cost gap in their hardware, and their quality is still leaps and bounds ahead of the competitors. If I want to buy a solid all-in-one device with a minimally usable on-board videocard so I could fire up the occasional game (not a hardcore gaming rig but keeping lighter fare an option) then the co…

The Chromebook Pixel has better hardware features than the MacBook line. (The touchscreen and LTE are both fantastic options.) But, pricewise, it's not far off from Apple's either.

What's the battery life like? Shit isn't it?

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by Qerub »

[deleted] wrote: post #74
leephillips wrote: post #58

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These are nice, but I was under the impression that the weak spot was not quite enough ram given the large number of pixels, and the impossibility of upgrading the memory. EDIT: Yes, I am referring to the Pixel here.

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He is talking about the Chromebook Pixel. :)

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by riquito »

nknighthb wrote: post #76
riquito wrote: post #66

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Many developers (most? I suppose there are more developers on Linux than OSX) would find that "configuration hassle" a feature.

What? Why would you suppose that? Developers don't like hassle any more than non-developers do. We're still people with work to get done.

That's why I quoted "configuration hassle"

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by Touche »

cloverich wrote: post #71
Touche wrote: post #57

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True, but the number of people who want an all-in-one desktop is also very small, and probably intersects with the people who want to replace stuff more than the general population of computer users does.

Counterpoint - what are the chances Apple hasn't run the numbers on that, and made the (business wise) correct decision?

You're right, we should never question a business's decisions because they have more data than us and cannot possibly be wrong

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

kunai wrote: post #70
numbsafari wrote: post #54

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This will sound pedantic, but... It isn't hard to replace them. You pull out your iPhone, use the Apple Store App to schedule an appointment, drop off your iMac at the store, go have lunch at Sbarro and then pick it up and go home. If you are buying an iMac, you are buying a sealed solution. If you are the kind of user who wants to replace HDD or upgrade components, the iMac is not the computer you should buy. Bad bu…

He said Apple would continue to sell trucks and cars, but he expects the cars to cannibalize the truck market. There's no use in a truck with a bed cover that's locked into place and unremovable. There's equally no use in a truck that's not built body-on-frame, and the Mac, one of my favorite computing platforms, is moving away from it.

The truck analogy wasn’t about internal upgradability, it was about devices running a mobile OS versus devices with desktop OS (notebooks, desktops, etc.). In Jobs’ analogy, the upcoming Mac Pro is just as much a truck as the current one is. However, Steve Jobs didn’t say that Apple would continue selling trucks, just that companies would.

Here’s the full quote:

When you did your presentation on the iPad, you described it as a new category of device, says Walt [Mossberg]. But in order for it to succeed, people have to feel that it’s worth carrying around. Do you think the tablet will succeed the laptop, he asks.

“When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks, because that’s what you needed on the farm. But as vehicles started to be used in the urban centers, cars got more popular. Innovations like automatic transmission and power steering and things that you didn’t care about in a truck as much started to become paramount in cars. … PCs are going to be like trucks. They’re still going to be around, they’re still going to have a lot of value, but they’re going to be used by one out of X people. … I think that we’re embarked on that. Is the next step the iPad? Who knows? Will it happen next year or five years from now or seven years from now? Who knows? But I think we’re headed in that direction.”

http://allthingsd.com/20100601/steve-jobs-session/

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by philwelch »

jasonlotito wrote: post #82
threeseed wrote: post #38

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It's all pretty simple really. The number of people who want more hard disk space and aren't willing to use an external drive is small. So small in fact that it isn't worth Apple's time to design a computer specifically catered to them.

> So small in fact that it isn't worth Apple's time to design a computer specifically catered to them. Apple never appreciated it when other companies treated them in the same manner.

The difference is that Apple has the money and influence to get what they want, so they're not the ones upset when a particular partner or supplier doesn't play along. It's the supplier's loss.

Re: Apple Updates iMac

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Post by Pxtl »

nknighthb wrote: post #81
gaius wrote: post #77

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Yes for a long time, Thinkpads have been of comparable build quality to MBPs, whether you like the "design" (as opposed to, the design) is entirely subjective. Kudos to Lenovo for not letting the build quality slip.

I just looked at Lenovo's site. I see plastic cases with mechanical latches. This is not "comparable build quality".

Yeah, I'm inclined to think that Lenovo is surfing on Thinkpad's stellar reputation that predates the jump in quality Apple gave the industry.

Thinkpad used to be the best laptops on the market, and in many ways they're still kinda like the old thinkpads. But Apple raised the bar and Lenovo didn't bother following the bar up. I've actually found that some of the higher-end Dell devices are the best at being "apple for Win32 users" but the problem is nobody wants to trust Dell because they make so much utter crap.

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