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Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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It's legal when WE do it - The Government

More relevantly: "When the president does something -- that means it is not illegal." -- Richard M. Nixon

Nixon would be freaking out over what politicians get away with today and never have to resign. In fact their successors simply up-the-ante.

Remember how hated Bush's lawyers were? Now we know why Obama didn't prosecute any of them.

Re: Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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The other day several american muslims strapped a bomb onto themselves and killed themselves and many innocent people in a suicide attack in Kenya.

If there were actual legal mechanisms built into the US constitution or laws created that dealt with fighting an asymmetrical war with people like this then I really doubt the President would go through this process, but that's not the case.

I'm not really sure how we should handle this but this isn't some evil plan to grab more power by the Obama administration, it's an ad hoc solution to a really difficult problem.

Re: Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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The other day several american muslims strapped a bomb onto themselves and killed themselves and many innocent people in a suicide attack in Kenya.

If there were actual legal mechanisms built into the US constitution or laws created that dealt with fighting an asymmetrical war with people like this then I really doubt the President would go through this process, but that's not the case.

I'm not really sure how we should handle this but this isn't some evil plan to grab more power by the Obama administration, it's an ad hoc solution to a really difficult problem.

Re: Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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The other day several american muslims strapped a bomb onto themselves and killed themselves and many innocent people in a suicide attack in Kenya.

If there were actual legal mechanisms built into the US constitution or laws created that dealt with fighting an asymmetrical war with people like this then I really doubt the President would go through this process, but that's not the case.

I'm not really sure how we should handle this but this isn't some evil plan to grab more power by the Obama administration, it's an ad hoc solution to a really difficult problem.

Re: Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in full agreement, but I have to ask, why now? This hasn't been news for years.

Here's what's happening: intelligent people are having a desperately needed conversation about the full spectrum of related problems having to do with absolutely terrifying assertions of extra-judicial executive power. This is relevant. That's why it's part of the conversation.

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Re: Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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The other day several american muslims strapped a bomb onto themselves and killed themselves and many innocent people in a suicide attack in Kenya. If there were actual legal mechanisms built into the US constitution or laws created that dealt with fighting an asymmetrical war with people like this then I really doubt the President would go through this process, but that's not the case. I'm not really sure how we sho…

It's not really a solution of any kind if it creates problems vastly bigger and more terrifying that the ones it purports to solve. It's kind of like killing a fly on a window by throwing a hand grenade at it.

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What bothers me most about what the government has been doing lately (for the past decade or so), is that they seem to have total disregard for the spirit of the law. All they do nowadays is try to find legal loopholes and mind-bending justifications for doing anything they want and pretending that anything is fair game and in the "legal limits".

I'm not sure what even the Courts can do against this, because this trend from the government and authorities is so overwhelming and they're doing it so much, that the Courts would really be fighting a very tough uphill battle, while the government gets away with so many things they pretend are "legal" for many years.

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The other day several american muslims strapped a bomb onto themselves and killed themselves and many innocent people in a suicide attack in Kenya. If there were actual legal mechanisms built into the US constitution or laws created that dealt with fighting an asymmetrical war with people like this then I really doubt the President would go through this process, but that's not the case. I'm not really sure how we sho…

It's not really a solution of any kind if it creates problems vastly bigger and more terrifying that the ones it purports to solve. It's kind of like killing a fly on a window by throwing a hand grenade at it.

But the majority of people think it's an acceptable solution for the time being. If they weren't, then there would be a political shitstorm. And there really isn't - because nobody can give a better solution than letting those people just go free and do as they please.

From my experience, the majority of people actually terrified of this are people on the internet. A lot of people are uneasy with it, but only on the internet are people terrified. The government isn't going to go around killing anyone it dislikes willy-nilly.

Re: Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in full agreement, but I have to ask, why now? This hasn't been news for years.

Here's what's happening: intelligent people are having a desperately needed conversation about the full spectrum of related problems having to do with absolutely terrifying assertions of extra-judicial executive power. This is relevant. That's why it's part of the conversation.

Well said. When atrocities are occurring, the question isn't "why now?" the question is "Why haven't we done anything about this?"
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