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Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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Why, oh why is there no version with 3G/LTE? That is by far the biggest bummer, imho. For people that are on the road a lot that makes such a difference, and pretty much all other tablets offer that option, so it seems really lame to not have that. Also, if I spent $1800 for a Surface Pro in the best configuration, I really would expect it to have the same connectivity as a iPad mini... Other than that, this seems li…

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Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to but my hangup would be with the OS: are tablets well supported by Linux these days?

I am going to bet "no". Sure, you will be able to get a driver working, but there are no OneNotes for Linux and the rest of the OS generally has zero concessions to touch. From my times playing with tablets, Linux trails Windows 5-10 years.

It is possible to run Ubuntu on a Surface Pro, so I don't see why you can't dual boot the Surface Pro 2 as well.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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It looks better than the original Surface, and seems to address the main issues. The better battery will be a huge advantage. Not a fan of the thinner keyboard though, the travel isn't too great anyway with the S Pro 1. Also, who the fuck cares about back-lighting?

some people do.. I can touch type, but sometimes when I need to press some key other than the alphabet I have to search for it.. back lit keyboards are very helpful when I'm trying to use my computer in the night without any lights. but I do hope there is a hotkey(function key) to turn off the back light when I'm watching a movie or something.

The new keyboard covers have a proximity sensor. The backlight is only on when your hands are near it.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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Dear Microsoft: Out of ARM and x86, choose one. Just choose one. For the love of god, choose ONE. Can you imagine Apple, or anyone else, deliberately releasing two different tablets, with the same name, which can not run each others' software? It is inconceivable, and for good reason. MS cannot make decisions. That's what will kill them, long term. Just choose one!!

While I agree, and wish they just released a budget x86 version instead of the RT, you are exaggerating the problem somewhat.

Not really. Since both run different apps then they should be distinctly separate products, and tacking "RT" or "Pro" or any other moniker does a disservice to everybody involved -- both developers and consumers.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

#85

Why, oh why is there no version with 3G/LTE? That is by far the biggest bummer, imho. For people that are on the road a lot that makes such a difference, and pretty much all other tablets offer that option, so it seems really lame to not have that. Also, if I spent $1800 for a Surface Pro in the best configuration, I really would expect it to have the same connectivity as a iPad mini... Other than that, this seems li…

1) The hardware would cost more

2) It would cost money to add the device to your Mobile account

3) You can just use the mobile hotspot feature on your phone and connect through that. Its easy on my Nokia 928.

Hell, half the time I have my wife's iphone connected to my phone via WIFI because she has AT&T (for work reasons) and they suck most places we go.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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Dear Microsoft: Out of ARM and x86, choose one. Just choose one. For the love of god, choose ONE. Can you imagine Apple, or anyone else, deliberately releasing two different tablets, with the same name, which can not run each others' software? It is inconceivable, and for good reason. MS cannot make decisions. That's what will kill them, long term. Just choose one!!

Why does Apple get a pass on this? They have just taken the alternative approach of fracturing their OS and hardware. It's natural because of where they started (iPod -> iPhone -> iPad), so this isn't a criticism.

As a consequence, this is one area where MS is ahead of Apple (even if MS is having difficulties reconciling the tablet vs. desktop experience). MS has touch on the desktop. When is Apple going to have touch on Mac Books?

I know SJ said vertical touch screens don't work. They will continue to say so until they add touch. Undoubtedly, they'll do it well, and it will be well integrated with the OS. But they'll continue to say it doesn't work...until it does. Similar to the movement to flat with nary a mention of Metro.

So Apple has the challenge of bringing their user-level of their OS offerings closer together (along with the hardware), whereas MS has the challenge of dealing with the Metro/Desktop schism and the x86/ARM dichotomy. Same coin, different sides.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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post #24

Dear Microsoft: Out of ARM and x86, choose one. Just choose one. For the love of god, choose ONE. Can you imagine Apple, or anyone else, deliberately releasing two different tablets, with the same name, which can not run each others' software? It is inconceivable, and for good reason. MS cannot make decisions. That's what will kill them, long term. Just choose one!!

You've misread the problem.

Apple DOES have an X86 ecosystem AND an ARM ecosystem. They do not cross streams and customers are not confused, and Apple can successfully grow application ecosystems across two very different architectures.

So what is Microsoft doing wrong?

It's very simple, and I cannot believe they haven't already done this. I'm thinking that the naming scheme for their ARM platform is why they're balking, since they've stupidly named their ARM ecosystem "Windows Phone".

Apple succeeds by maintaining separation between the ecosystems, and that's where MS is failing.

MS needs to realign:

Surface means x86 tablet. Period. End of story. It's a high end tablet for those who need more than an iDevice, who want a full laptop in a tablet shell. Surface means quality. Surface means x86, and it means desktop compatible.

Windows Phone, including Windows Phone Tablet (Surface RT) means ARM. Period. The WP8 ecosystem and it's tablet arm should be the branding covering the ARM ecosystem.

I'm thinking that the name "Windows Phone" for the ecosystem is what dissuaded them from trying to attach the tablet to that ecosystem.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

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post #24

Dear Microsoft: Out of ARM and x86, choose one. Just choose one. For the love of god, choose ONE. Can you imagine Apple, or anyone else, deliberately releasing two different tablets, with the same name, which can not run each others' software? It is inconceivable, and for good reason. MS cannot make decisions. That's what will kill them, long term. Just choose one!!

Relax.

They have clearly made some sort of a bet on ARM, if it doesn't pan out they will drop it soon enough.

Re: Microsoft’s Hardware, Round 2: Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

#89
post #24

Dear Microsoft: Out of ARM and x86, choose one. Just choose one. For the love of god, choose ONE. Can you imagine Apple, or anyone else, deliberately releasing two different tablets, with the same name, which can not run each others' software? It is inconceivable, and for good reason. MS cannot make decisions. That's what will kill them, long term. Just choose one!!

> Can you imagine Apple, or anyone else, deliberately releasing two different tablets, with the same name, which can not run each others' software?

Apple actually managed two very smooth transition/coexistence periods, from 68K to PPC and from PPC to x86, when it was easy to build binaries that ran on both platforms.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt that Powershell is good, but it's different . I've grown to appreciate being able to use all the same commands on my dev box as I do on my servers, and while Cygwin covers the basics, it doesn't do it all.

With newer versions of Windows, Microsoft has attempted to bring powershell on par with the linux terminal. Supposedly, every admin function possible in the OS is now capable of being performed in Powershell. The only downside is that some if the commands are uneccessarily verbose in comparison.

Their push into headless Window Server deployment has certainly driven Microsoft to shore up PowerShell. Recently they're taking on declarative server configurations (ie: puppet) with their own brand of it -- Desired State Configuration.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/privatecloud/archive/2013/08/30/i...

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