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Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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Purely anecdotally, a ton of the people in my line wanted gold, but only the first ten people actually got one. It seems plenty popular here too. It will be interesting if we ever get a color breakdown to see if this "gold is for Asian countries" thing actually holds up, or if it's just another instance of bizarre cultural misunderstanding.

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6430779 seems they did send most of the gold phones to Asia, and all sold out first day. Still may be a bizarre cultural misunderstanding, as sounds like it's crazy popular everywhere else too. Expect every smartphone maker make & push gold phones hard after today. ETA: Note "seems". That's my impression from the link, no hard data seen yet.

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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most frustratingly this is another datapoint that won't matter much in the current slew of punditry aimed at talking Apple down. just go back to the HN post of the 5s launch event and it's full of doomsayers. seems like apple is going against the very fabric that unites neckbeards around the world - and is crazy successful. just like carmakers that stopped catering to the tinkerers. here's to the crazy ones. next wee…

and to illustrate my point, HN post, a mere 12 days ago: Apple's Windows 95 problem. http://blog.raavel.com/2013/09/11/apple-problem/ "Apple recently unveiled its new iPhone 5s and 5c models, to a collective “meh”. The stock sold off and is poised to continue moving lower. The market is telling Apple that it is not innovative enough and that its need to do much more, and within that lies the crux of Apple’s problem."…

Will that same random blog now turn 180 and consider it's failure?

No.

(Queue a half dozen responses about how Apple actually has failed by selling more phones than both Nokia and Blackberry last quarter in a single weekend. Sometimes, I think people who think Apple is a failure are actually it's biggest supporters, because really, who but those most invested in the company's success are pushing for it to do better? You'd only call them a failure if you thought they could do better, right? So...tell me who the Apple fanboys are, again?)

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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1) A friend stood in line for a few hours, got to the front, found out they didn't have the color he wanted and left. – At the Apple store I was at, Apple staff greeted people entering the queue, asked them what they intended to purchase and gave them a card (reservation) 2) A colleague in another company got one and she immediately remarked, "it looks just like Android!". – You overheard a conversation in another co…

> – At the Apple store I was at, Apple staff greeted people entering the queue, asked them what they intended to purchase and gave them a card (reservation) Didn't do that at either of the two Apple stores I'm aware of (there are 5 in my area), or the three AT&T stores my friends went to. > – You overheard a conversation in another company? Good ears. Extra credit for "she". Grownup companies sometimes do things toge…

Minimally, the first point is wrong. Official Apple Retail stores all do this the same way. Reservation cards were provided. It's possible that the person while in line was informed they didn't have the color they wanted and left, but highly, highly unlikely (unless they entered later in the day) that they made it into the store and had to walk out.

FWIW, I did see a few people leave because the color they wanted was not available, either to try a carrier store or order online and wait.

Also, 9M in sales and the huge upgrade numbers pretty much speak for themselves. YMMV, but the anecdotes from your circle are not reflective of what happened.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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But you're missing an important point: If you own your phone you can get much cheaper 'SIM only' deals with the mobile carriers, meaning that over your 1-2 year contract, you'll pay far less. Getting a new phone as part of a 'subsidised' contract is effectively borrowing money to buy a phone. Your loan repayments are the monthly fee. If you have the cash, buying the phone up-front is almost always cheaper.

Not the biggest U.S. mobile carriers. AT&T and Verizon have awful BYOD plans, as I understand it. I'd be thrilled to find out I could do better than my grandfathered AT&T unlimited plan (two phones, 5GB/each before throttled, $120/mo.), but keep their network.

My phone's getting a bit old (4S), and I'm taking this opportunity to move to T-Mobile, where the BYOD offerings are much better.

BYOD means $20 off your monthly bill (or subsidizing is +$20, whichever way you look at it), and the BYOD rate is legitimately substantially cheaper than similar plans from AT&T or Verizon.

Plus even if you subsidize the device the terms are far better. The $20/month goes towards paying off a debt, which is simply unsubsidized price - subsidized price. If you leave early you pay the remaining balance and the phone's yours. This is in stark contrast to AT&T's rather punitive early-termination fees that exceed the actual subsidization provided initially.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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Sorry. No atitude! Just pointing out that it is impossible to guess, and that your last number constitutes less than 1% of the total estimated iPhone 5Ss sold.

OK, I probably misread the tone in your first sentence. It's easy to guess! Nearly impossible to guess accurately, though, I agree. You're right about it being less than 1% of the total, although I disagree that this makes the estimate absurd. I think it's entirely possible that the gold 5S constitutes less than 1% of production or sales so far. I certainly could be wrong.

The under supply can't be too bad though - I just checked on eBay, and 16gb gold iPhones are going for around $1000. You can buy a TMobile contract free for $650 online through the Apple Store. That's only a 50% markup...

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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Wow... were there really that many people out buying iPhones this weekend? How does Apple keep doing that?

What's more interesting is why do people do that just with Apple phones? Samsung seems to get their phones out and about without the same kind of theater and is matching Apple sale for sale these days. It's like people waiting in line to see the latest Star Wars film, but a crappy movie about Blue Forest Indians riding Dragons outsells it.

Nope: http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-Shot...

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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But you're missing an important point: If you own your phone you can get much cheaper 'SIM only' deals with the mobile carriers, meaning that over your 1-2 year contract, you'll pay far less. Getting a new phone as part of a 'subsidised' contract is effectively borrowing money to buy a phone. Your loan repayments are the monthly fee. If you have the cash, buying the phone up-front is almost always cheaper.

Not the biggest U.S. mobile carriers. AT&T and Verizon have awful BYOD plans, as I understand it. I'd be thrilled to find out I could do better than my grandfathered AT&T unlimited plan (two phones, 5GB/each before throttled, $120/mo.), but keep their network.

If you actually use most of the 5GB each month, $60/mo is competitive with what you would get from any MVNO. The MVNO plan would include tethering, but I'm told that people just use tethering on AT&T plans without paying for it.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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OK, I probably misread the tone in your first sentence. It's easy to guess! Nearly impossible to guess accurately, though, I agree. You're right about it being less than 1% of the total, although I disagree that this makes the estimate absurd. I think it's entirely possible that the gold 5S constitutes less than 1% of production or sales so far. I certainly could be wrong.

The under supply can't be too bad though - I just checked on eBay, and 16gb gold iPhones are going for around $1000. You can buy a TMobile contract free for $650 online through the Apple Store. That's only a 50% markup...

Man, does eBay's search ever suck. I specify gold, 5S, unlocked, and it still gives me all sorts of irrelevant listings.

Looks like the typical price is around there, though. I do see some sold for well over $2,000, though. I wonder if that means the $1,000 listings are underpriced, or if those high-end listings just got lucky and found a few suckers.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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>> "A lot of people waited to upgrade because the iPhone 5 was an iterative device" What?? The 'S' is the iterative product. The 5 was a new design and new screen size and overall a much bigger update. >> "people are waiting for the second version of Apple products to get it 'right'." What was wrong with the 5 that the 5S fixes?

Based on Apple's existing precedent to 'revolutionize' phones to the average consumer, I'd consider all the devices in the 5 generation to be iterative.

Let's look at that.

2007: iPhone.

2008: iPhone 3G. Same phone but with 3G.

2009: iPhone 3GS. Same as 3G but a bit faster.

2010: iPhone 4. New case, retina display, faster etc.

2011: iPhone 4S. Faster, better camera and Siri.

2012: iPhone 5. Faster, new case, bigger screen.

2013: iPhone 4s. Faster, Touch ID, better camera.

It's hard to say any of those releases were revolutionary except the original iPhone. All since has been steady improvement. And that's a good thing.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 5s And iPhone 5c Sell 9M Units Over Opening Weekend

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Right, 9 million is pretty unimpressive, especially when you consider that Blackberry managed to sell over 3 million last quarter. Major Fail Apple.

It's 9 million over one weekend, not over a quarter. The Blackberry number is irrelevant in that perspective.

Sorry, I was trying to be cute. Major Fail me.
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