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I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by bqe »

gcanyon wrote: post #245
adt2bt wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct. In fact, I just drove x-country and Outliers was one of the books I listened to on the way. I haven't had the time to cross-check much of the information, as I just took most of what Gladwell wrote as fact (even if this was just an opinion).

Not to beat on Gladwell (more than a bit) but I tend to double-check most of what he says.

I love Gladwell's writing (he writes some of the most entertaining non-fiction around), but it is wise to take some of his more outlandish claims with a grain or two of salt. He takes anecdotes to be almost evidence, especially in Outliers.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by chris_wot »

pessimizer wrote: post #214
josefresco wrote: post #81

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Author summarizes the rage quite well: "The reaction, then, had nothing to do with hipsters. It was a hatred of people that need to stand out for standing-out's sake. That realization was at once positive and negative—people didn't hate me because I was a hipster, they hated me because I looked like I was nakedly desperate for attention, and had gone about that attention-grabbing by glomming on to marginalized trends…

I was really impressed by that observation, and I thought that the article was going to turn in a pleasant way that I wasn't expecting. Sadly, instead of wondering why someone of a different perspective could think that of him, he continues: "The experience of being labeled and then cast aside made me realize that what many people call 'hipsterism' or, what they perceive as a slavish devotion to irony, are often in f…

"Sadly, instead of wondering why someone of a different perspective could think that of him..."

So it's his fault that people were nasty and hated on him? Way to go - blaming the victim much?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by aspensmonster »

D9u wrote: post #93

I, myself, would have started, and stopped, with the last sentence: I prefer to let these little cesspools of cyberspace fester and then stagnate, forgotten as they should be, secure in the knowledge that I am doing something that matters to me. As reddit is nothing other than a festering cesspool of cyberspace.

Reposting a deaded comment by drivebyacct2, since it seems any comment that goes against the "we're so much better than reddit" grain gets deaded by the mods:

>>As reddit is nothing other than a festering cesspool of cyberspace.

>What possible good or truth can come of making a statement like that? Hopefully you aren't proudly so ignorant as to actually think that's remotely authentic. But then again, most "Reddit is literally Hitler" trolls don't know what they're talking about or sub to any subreddits, so whatever.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by zenocon »

lmm wrote: post #234
EvanKelly wrote: post #164

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What's wrong with enjoying the feeling of being counterculture? This whole anti-hipster sentiment is so bizarre to me. It's all about policing other peoples' fashion/taste/activities without reason. The idea that hipsters are somehow not genuine doesn't make any sense. What is there to be genuine to ? If you use an old film camera because you like the photos it takes and are fascinated by how it operates, more power…

It undermines genuine counterculture movements. When you have a lot of people who will act like they support a certain idea until questioned about it, and then duck away saying they were just being ironic, the result is that no-one takes anyone seriously. It's bad for the same reasons as bumper stickers, or protest groups who do nothing but stupid stunts.

Who is worried about undermining counterculture movements? Don't wear that old camera, b/c it makes xyz not appear legitimate? Wha?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by delinka »

I tend to group posts like this in with the recent attention on sexism in tech, and it makes me ask ...

Why do people feel the need to be such assholes to other human beings? Why should it ever matter what someone else does with their lives as long as it doesn't interfere with your inalienable rights? Why should it ever matter to anyone what color your skin is or what genitals you have if you get the job done?

I just don't get hate in general.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by chris_wot »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #14

The only valid definition of "hipster" is "someone who cares whether people are 'hipster' or not." With that firmly in mind: fuck hipsters.

Uh, by your own definition you care whether a person is a hipster so you can tell them o go fuck themselves. Doesn't this make you a hipster?

What's it like to tell yourself to get fucked?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by chris_wot »

drcode wrote: post #76
pdenya wrote: post #52

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I don't think you can expect this type of reaction from a performance. One of the larger issues is that people don't get that it was a performance. Roughly equivalent to taking a picture of a clown and making fun of him for his make up as if he walks around like that in every situation.

If you do some kind of guerilla performance art, going around in public doing weird stuff, then most people will probably not realize it's a performance. Expecting otherwise seems irrational.

If you crop out the clues that its performance art, then it's more likely to be misunderstood.

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Post by phaus »

jmduke wrote: post #120
corresation wrote: post #61

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Reddit is visited by tens of millions of people of virtually every demographic. Corralling them as "internet nerds" seems a bit like you're trying for some bullying yourself. In any case, talk about much ado about absolutely nothing. A bunch of people said silly things, largely under the assumption that it was no consequence (that no one was hurt, etc): In many ways the comments on there are performance art. It is th…

Reddit is visited by tens of millions of people of virtually every demographic. Corralling them as "internet nerds" seems a bit like you're trying for some bullying yourself. The post to which you're replying didn't even mention Reddit. Reddit is by no means the only place where a nerdy demographic (and I'll define 'nerdy demographic' as 18-25 that skew towards STEM education and exhibit above-average internet usage)…

It may have been edited after you posted, but the comment he replied to did mention reddit.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by tunesmith »

EvanKelly wrote: post #164
Dylan16807 wrote: post #145

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If they actually enjoy what they're doing, and not the feeling of being 'counterculture', then they're not being "hipsters". It's pretty simple.

What's wrong with enjoying the feeling of being counterculture? This whole anti-hipster sentiment is so bizarre to me. It's all about policing other peoples' fashion/taste/activities without reason. The idea that hipsters are somehow not genuine doesn't make any sense. What is there to be genuine to ? If you use an old film camera because you like the photos it takes and are fascinated by how it operates, more power…

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I don't think it is an expression of individuality, either. Going against the grain is still buying into the grain. Individuality is more about being orthogonal.
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