Better idea - save the data to a server, make an API (free), and let engineershelp visualize where the violence is occuring / predict where it will occur based on date/time
A Hospital Tells Police Where Fights Happen, And Crime Drops
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Re: A Hospital Tells Police Where Fights Happen, And Crime Drops
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
When crime drops, police can get laid off.
Real crime statistics dropping? Or fear/perception of crime dropping?
I remember reading about the negative side-effects of crime-stat systems a few years ago.
When the systems were first installed, they provided a ton of good information and the crime rate dropped. Homicides were reduced, less gang activity, etc.
Well after a couple of years of reducing crime by double digit percentages, suddenly that became the standard. So there were perverse incentives to do things like classify crimes as lesser offenses. If you can talk people into only complaining about assault, your rape crime count can go down.
At the same time, if there isn't enough crime, you don't need as many cops. So there are also incentives to write more tickets and criminalize more things. Since it's now a crime to walk with your shoes untied, the police can say "Look, this year arrests are up 10%! We're really doing a good job!" or "New kinds of crime are taking over, we need some people for a task force.".
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#13How long are you able to report a crime after the fact? I remember being hit by a car on my bike (a famously under-reported incident), but both myself and my girlfriend physically/emotionally were in rough shape all day. We forgot to report it, then it ended up slipping out of our minds. This is a challenging problem to solve with technology, similar to getting patients to take their daily medication on time.
Depends on the country and the crime. In Canada it is 24-48 hours to report your tires being slashed, 1 year to prosecute a vehicle collision, but 25 years for something like rape and/or molestation.
In most places in the US I believe there is no statute of limitations for murder.
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#14Unintended side-effect:
When two gangs fight and people get injured but don't want the police to know about the location of the fight (an illegal clubhouse?), wounds are either ignored or stitched up by backalley doctors.
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#15What's most important these days is the data was cleaned first, and was proactively given out to police which was used indirectly to ward off future crime. All it took was police presence. They didn't need to indiscriminately take patient records out of their backend systems or monitor the hospitals networks and reverse engineer http and packets. They didn't need to target individuals who are repeat offenders or viol…
What's the difference between digital monitoring and pen/paper monitoring?
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#16Bad idea, people won't go to the hospital. Reminds me of the story about the CIA going undercover as polio vaccinators in Pakistan and now legitimate vaccinators are being chased off and polio rates are increasing.
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#17Whatever. Nothing special.
The whole thing of hospitals reporting violence police sounds is a gangster movie cliche: someone gets shot and his friends rush him to a disgraced dentist who removes the bullet on the kitchen table with a splash of whiskey and a dirty switchblade.
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#18What's most important these days is the data was cleaned first, and was proactively given out to police which was used indirectly to ward off future crime. All it took was police presence. They didn't need to indiscriminately take patient records out of their backend systems or monitor the hospitals networks and reverse engineer http and packets. They didn't need to target individuals who are repeat offenders or viol…
What's the difference between digital monitoring and pen/paper monitoring?
The difference, in this case, is the collector of the information is sanitizing the information before providing it to law enforcement. Law enforcement isn't standing in the halls making copies and "sanitizing" those copies as the paperwork travels from one office to another. By "sanitizing" I mean trusting law enforcement to perform privacy-related sanitation without oversight to verify.
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#19What's most important these days is the data was cleaned first, and was proactively given out to police which was used indirectly to ward off future crime. All it took was police presence. They didn't need to indiscriminately take patient records out of their backend systems or monitor the hospitals networks and reverse engineer http and packets. They didn't need to target individuals who are repeat offenders or viol…
When crime drops, police can get laid off.
That certainly hasn't been the case in Canada.
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#20Better idea - save the data to a server, make an API (free), and let engineershelp visualize where the violence is occuring / predict where it will occur based on date/time
So, basically, you want someone else to do all the legwork and give you access to their data for free. Cool, we'll get right on that.