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Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by steauengeglase » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:20 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #21

potatolicious wrote: post #7

Hipster-hate strikes me as just another thinly veiled form of bullying, and it's interesting to see how readily internet nerds - the people who are disproportionately to have been bullied in the past - engage in it. Look! He's different! Let's make assumptions about his motivations and get him! It's also interesting to see how many times Reddit (and other communities) fly into a rage-fest because of lack of context,…

On top of it, geek culture is a hipster culture. Oh you listen to obscure geeky bands and wear comic/anime t-shirts all the time? You purposely disengage from mainstream society? You're overly critical of the status quo and only socialize with people exactly like you? Gee, that sounds like the guy you're criticizing.

Hipsterism is nothing new (we were complaining about it back when affluent kids started hitting juke joints in the poor part of town). We call it a sub-culture but it isn't one and never has been.

It is most often upper-middle kids (generally white) adopting and gentrifying sub-cultures and then abandoning them when all of the cool has been drained out. What is left becomes fodder for "ironic" mockery.

That is what the author never thinks of addressing. What he boils down to "they hate me because they think I want attention" isn't because he wants attention, it is because he has taken on the trappings of a group who devour other groups.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by nooneelse » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:21 PM UTC

badman_ting wrote: post #115

agentultra wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is going to sound inflammatory but I basically consider anyone younger than around 25 to be functionally insane . They're in a period in their life where they seriously believe that they cannot spend the rest of their lives with someone who doesn't have the same taste in music as they do. You're busy cultivating a sense of identity, I get it. But more often than not you grow up and find yourself in love with som…

Ha, I know what you mean. But it's not the kids I'm worried about, it's the adults.

Perhaps the cultural pendulum has swung a bit too far into elevating the voices of those with traits of psychological neoteny. How could we insert a counterbalancing force of support for mental gerontomorphic features in online discourse?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by aaron695 » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:24 PM UTC

drcode wrote: post #38

NEWSFLASH: If you're doing something specifically to get attention, it's possible the attention you get might not be to your liking. (Though I agree people should be more open to people doing fun performance-ish stuff like this, it does not mean a performer is entitled to receive only positive reactions.)

> NEWSFLASH: If you're doing something specifically to get attention, it's possible the attention you get might not be to your liking.

What on earth was he doing to get attention?

He was doing a job.

If you are writing stories for people in a park, a typewriter is probably the best way to do it, how else would you?

How was he trying for attention any more than the ice cream van I'm sure was down the road? Since when do people working in public have to be "NEWSFLASH"ed that they are trying to get attention.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by jlgreco » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:26 PM UTC

te_chris wrote: post #237

yareally wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good points. I think they're all pretty awful (relatively speaking, if one is doing more than getting plastered), but somehow only the one gets the negative connotation. Though, I will admit my early college years I did drink them all at some point regrettably, even at least one PBR that I know of offhand.

Outside of America I can assure that bud and miller both have very negative connotations ;)

Negative connotations as in "these are very bad beers", or negative connotations as in "anyone who drinks these must be wildly uncool"?

The first exists in the US, but the second doesn't really (outside a few circles typically called 'beer snobs' ;).

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by gcanyon » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:28 PM UTC

adt2bt wrote: post #156

keammo1 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mozart's the canonical example of somebody who didn't have to practice for years." I'm assuming the parent was referring to information presented in the book Outliers, which provides a counter-argument to this

You are correct. In fact, I just drove x-country and Outliers was one of the books I listened to on the way. I haven't had the time to cross-check much of the information, as I just took most of what Gladwell wrote as fact (even if this was just an opinion).

Not to beat on Gladwell (more than a bit) but I tend to double-check most of what he says.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by eshvk » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:34 PM UTC

benched wrote: post #113

revelation wrote: post #17

The website she referred to had a series of essays they dubbed “It Happened To Me” that they sprinkled in amongst feminist-leaning news and features. “I want to talk about how all of this makes me feel. You, all over the Internet, right after you dumped me.” Does that seem bizarrely self absorbed to anyone else?

I can definitely relate to the feeling. For a full 1.5 years after my ex and I broke up, it felt like my friends were being deliberately cruel, first by continuing to involve her in various events, then by continuously posting about stuff they were doing with her on facebook. For a long time, it felt like they were actively trying to push me out of the picture or drive me to jump. The only difference is, this woman w…

Maybe these people you call your friends are not really your friends? For if something is affecting you, they should be able to be considerate of your feelings too. Just a thought.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by omegaham » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:35 PM UTC

yareally wrote: post #204

jlgreco wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PBR is very cheap, and actually very tolerable when you are in the market for cheap American lagers. Before it got a reputation for being "hipster" it was a popular "blue collar" beer, and for good reason. I'd call it better than Budweiser, worse than Coors. Certainly better than the other heavyweight in 'cheap booze that young people drink': Natural Light. For some reason drinking natty light is not seen to be as da…

Good points. I think they're all pretty awful (relatively speaking, if one is doing more than getting plastered), but somehow only the one gets the negative connotation. Though, I will admit my early college years I did drink them all at some point regrettably, even at least one PBR that I know of offhand.

Call me strange, but there are times when I am honestly happy to get a Bud Light. It's cheap, very light, and still gives me a "You're drinking a beer" feeling. It's relaxing.

I definitely prefer Sierra Nevada, Stone IPA, and Harpoon to Bud Light 95% of the time, but there are days when it's 115 degrees out and my mind says "I want beer-flavored water."

The worst beer, by far, is heavy beer that tastes like garbage. I can drink Natty Light and be happy; I cannot drink a heavy beer that tastes bad.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by eshvk » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:36 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #42

I'm not claiming to have much fashion sense, but how is wearing giant plastic glasses "sincerity"? Is it about self-expression? What sentiment do huge glasses express? The reaction, then, had nothing to do with hipsters... they hated me because I looked like I was nakedly desperate for attention, and had gone about that attention-grabbing by glomming on to marginalized trends. I thought that was the whole reason peop…

Let me approach this problem logically. What does sincerity mean? Would you say a man wearing a $2000 dollar suit was being sincere? What if I told you the suit was custom made bespoke and it took eight months to make? Would that be sincere or pretentious? Why is wearing something about expressing a sentiment that you need to be aware of? Maybe the person's sentiment is for their sake?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by DigitalSea » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:38 PM UTC

Stories like this make me feel bad for naming my music blog Killhipsters. I think Reddit have proven one too many times that they're good at jumping to conclusions and ruining lives, look no further than the Boston Marathon bombing fiasco where many Redditors incorrectly blamed someone for the bombing and started a flurry of unwanted media attention. While the name of my music blog is a comedic take on the hatred people have for hipsters, I think it's sickening if anyone has a real hate for hipsters beyond jokingly on the internet or between friends...

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by mehwoot » Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 11:44 PM UTC

agentultra wrote: post #94

potatolicious wrote: post #7

Hipster-hate strikes me as just another thinly veiled form of bullying, and it's interesting to see how readily internet nerds - the people who are disproportionately to have been bullied in the past - engage in it. Look! He's different! Let's make assumptions about his motivations and get him! It's also interesting to see how many times Reddit (and other communities) fly into a rage-fest because of lack of context,…

This is going to sound inflammatory but I basically consider anyone younger than around 25 to be functionally insane . They're in a period in their life where they seriously believe that they cannot spend the rest of their lives with someone who doesn't have the same taste in music as they do. You're busy cultivating a sense of identity, I get it. But more often than not you grow up and find yourself in love with som…

They're in a period in their life where they seriously believe that they cannot spend the rest of their lives with someone who doesn't have the same taste in music as they do.

Wow... you actually believe that? You're insane.