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A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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Every once in a while I get the feeling that the greatest discoveries are still ahead and these next few decades might be the real "golden age of science". The "individual genius" phase is just behind us and the "collaborative brilliance" phase is just beginning.

Why do you think there will be or should be a golden age, rather then continuous progress forever?

http://beginningofinfinity.com

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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Is anyone here familiar with this work? I would like to hear more about it. At a minimum, this article is very much better than the usual science blog filler—it contains signs of a genuine conceptual breakthrough. For example: “You can easily do, on paper, computations that were infeasible even with a computer before.” That doesn't happen very often! Or this: [T]he new geometric approach to particle interactions remo…

"it contains signs of a genuine conceptual breakthrough."

It contains claims of such signs, which seems to be the point of this fluff piece.

Alarm bells should go off when you read statements like this:

"...giving up space and time as fundamental constituents of nature and figuring out how the Big Bang and cosmological evolution of the universe arose out of pure geometry."

Ah yes, well that solves the mystery, doesn't it. The universe arose out of pure geometry.

A more concrete sign of the limitations of this work can be seen in the paragraph prior to the above quote:

"Physicists must also prove that the new geometric formulation applies to the exact particles that are known to exist in the universe, rather than to the idealized quantum field theory they used to develop it, called maximally supersymmetric Yang-Mills theory."

The problem is that maximally supersymmetric Yang-Mills theory conflicts with experiments (see e.g. http://news.discovery.com/space/lhc-discovery-maims-supersym...). This is why they hurry to qualify this point by saying:

"This model, which includes a 'superpartner' particle for every known particle and treats space-time as flat, 'just happens to be the simplest test case for these new tools,' Bourjaily said. 'The way to generalize these new tools to [other] theories is understood.'"

Well that's good, because they're going to need that generalization. Now all they need is to actually produce it.

This is the sort of thing that leads these gee-whiz models to end up on the ash heap of history.

Don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the amplituhedron revolutionizes quantum theory. But based on the red flags in this article, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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post #12

So this guy was right? The geometry-based particle interaction theory sounds similar to what this guy was saying a few years back on TED: http://www.ted.com/talks/garrett_lisi_on_his_theory_of_every...

Completely different thing. Garrett Lisi threw us some weird looking thing that when you turn it to the left and spin it 3 times and do a backflip looks like an electron... and if you turn it up and around and up town it looks like a quark. However, if you're gonna propose a structure like this, it better behave in a way that any way you look at it, it better look like something you might see in the universe. This thing predicted WAY too much shit to have physical relevance.

The thing in this post is a new way to calculate scattering amplitudes that has nothing to do with space, time, and isn't motivated by unitarity or locality.

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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post #2

Is anyone here familiar with this work? I would like to hear more about it. At a minimum, this article is very much better than the usual science blog filler—it contains signs of a genuine conceptual breakthrough. For example: “You can easily do, on paper, computations that were infeasible even with a computer before.” That doesn't happen very often! Or this: [T]he new geometric approach to particle interactions remo…

"it contains signs of a genuine conceptual breakthrough." It contains claims of such signs, which seems to be the point of this fluff piece. Alarm bells should go off when you read statements like this: "...giving up space and time as fundamental constituents of nature and figuring out how the Big Bang and cosmological evolution of the universe arose out of pure geometry." Ah yes, well that solves the mystery, doesn'…

Things that work on simple models motivate work on more complex models. He STARTS OUT by saying N=4 SYM is a toy model. The klein-gordon equation is unphysical but motivated a lot of good physics.

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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Every once in a while I get the feeling that the greatest discoveries are still ahead and these next few decades might be the real "golden age of science". The "individual genius" phase is just behind us and the "collaborative brilliance" phase is just beginning.

Why do you think there will be or should be a golden age, rather then continuous progress forever? http://beginningofinfinity.com

I always think of "golden ages" as arising naturally from a random distribution of "big breakthroughs" and similar. It's not unlikely that you'd get some clumps of many breakthroughs followed by time with very few breakthroughs. And we call these clumps "golden ages." And of course, the fact that they're not independent events, but that one breakthrough might precipitate another, just reinforces this.

So I don't think "golden ages" are going away any time soon.

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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post #4

The paper from the arxiv mentioned in the article: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.5605v1.pdf

I was talking to a friend in the physics department at Stanford a few months ago about how one of the people whose work is cited in this paper (Greg Moore of Rutgers) had found analytic expressions purely rooted in geometry for Bethe Ansatz[1] results in (1+1) dimensional systems. Based on that, I told my friend I believed these "physical mathematics types" (as they call themselves) were on to something. He concurred that their methods would be very important in the future.

(This was in May, lol)

[1] BA is a nifty numerical method involving a lot of number crunching to find scattering matrices for these theories, and is very useful in low-dimensional electronic systems.

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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post #2

Is anyone here familiar with this work? I would like to hear more about it. At a minimum, this article is very much better than the usual science blog filler—it contains signs of a genuine conceptual breakthrough. For example: “You can easily do, on paper, computations that were infeasible even with a computer before.” That doesn't happen very often! Or this: [T]he new geometric approach to particle interactions remo…

"it contains signs of a genuine conceptual breakthrough." It contains claims of such signs, which seems to be the point of this fluff piece. Alarm bells should go off when you read statements like this: "...giving up space and time as fundamental constituents of nature and figuring out how the Big Bang and cosmological evolution of the universe arose out of pure geometry." Ah yes, well that solves the mystery, doesn'…

What you're saying makes it sound comparable to a compelling software demo that only works on simplified test cases.

Re: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics

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Every once in a while I get the feeling that the greatest discoveries are still ahead and these next few decades might be the real "golden age of science". The "individual genius" phase is just behind us and the "collaborative brilliance" phase is just beginning.

Why do you think there will be or should be a golden age, rather then continuous progress forever? http://beginningofinfinity.com

To expand on what Osmium said, a "golden age" is more like a "goldrush age": A big breakthrough opens up a new conceptual frontier, and the golden age is scientists rushing in to homestead and start mining the new landscape.

This isn't to say that all progress is done in goldrushes, but the most basic and, therefore, best-known work of a given field will be done in that period.

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