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Re: Starlite

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What sort of scientific Scrooge chooses to take his invention to the grave like that? What has he gained in the end?

Ages ago I spent a fair amount of time considering what would happen if someone invented a new power source. I was planning to try to write a short story based on the idea. In my imagination I invented a device the size of a fridge freezer capable of powering a small town for 100 years. The workings and science were irrelevant, but the politics of it was what interested me.

I cant find the notes I made now, but essentially I ended up deciding that something so revolutionary, if proved and accepted as doing what it said on the tin, would take a life of its own. I came to the conclusion that once people know of its existence, the inventor will lose all control and become an instant target. Such inventions are the "babies" of such inventors, so loss of control is an issue. Becoming a target, more so. I'm not sure what the people who did the science that lead to nuclear stuff intended or thought, but if it were me, the idea that my science was used to make such evil devices as nuclear bombs would at the very least cause me trouble.

Interestingly there is some relevance to what is happening now with the NSA internet spying issue. People may well look at this sort of behavior and conclude that there are no limits for certain nation states. So, if a Belgian, for a random small country example, were to invent such technology, and say this person decided that only small poor countries could have access to it in order to equalize small poor countries with rich ones, how might the likes of China, UK, USA, India, etc, react to that? What would be their limit to acquire such technology? The second you deploy such a unit, spies would be all over it. Perhaps, war. So in the end, unless you do as told, your good might end up slaughtering millions.

Now, I'm not saying that starlite was or is for real, or that the inventor thought this way, but I can certainly see why such an inventor might be so paranoid as to get in to a position where the secret dies with him.

Of course I am very open to the idea that this says more about my personal psychology that any general point...

Re: Starlite

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Ward certainly believes in his product, claiming publicly that it could have prevented the space shuttle disasters. 'Starlite has a Q-value [an energy absorption rating] of 2,470. The space shuttle tiles have a Q-value of 1.' Not only that, but because Starlite is so lightweight – 1mm thick, compared to 75mm for the space tiles – it's actually '2,470 x 75 times better'. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5158972/S…

Q is the heat transfer rate; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer_coefficient

Re: Starlite

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post #42

Ward certainly believes in his product, claiming publicly that it could have prevented the space shuttle disasters. 'Starlite has a Q-value [an energy absorption rating] of 2,470. The space shuttle tiles have a Q-value of 1.' Not only that, but because Starlite is so lightweight – 1mm thick, compared to 75mm for the space tiles – it's actually '2,470 x 75 times better'. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5158972/S…

Q is the heat transfer rate; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer_coefficient

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Re: Starlite

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post #41
post #13

What sort of scientific Scrooge chooses to take his invention to the grave like that? What has he gained in the end?

Ages ago I spent a fair amount of time considering what would happen if someone invented a new power source. I was planning to try to write a short story based on the idea. In my imagination I invented a device the size of a fridge freezer capable of powering a small town for 100 years. The workings and science were irrelevant, but the politics of it was what interested me. I cant find the notes I made now, but essen…

Once one has lost control what is the value in being a 'target'? You can't really be both.

The steam engine, refrigeration, etc, are all examples of this kind of invention which make their inventors quite well off even if eventually eclipsed by successors.

War is inevitable... don't fret over some invention, if it's useful in war it will be used in war regardless of its other merits. Often the tech transfer is backwards, from war to civilian life.

Re: Starlite

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post #29

I'm skeptical. There are a lot of bullshit free-energy and reactionless drive "inventors" who exhibit the same pattern. Super secretive and paranoid that the traditional scientific review process will steal their invention, will only allow third parties to experiment under very controlled conditions, etc, won't produce working patents, etc. Remember Dean Drive? I often think they either known they're peddling somethi…

I remember the Dean Drive. Does anyone else remember the Dean Drive?

I didn't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive

Re: Starlite

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post #42

Ward certainly believes in his product, claiming publicly that it could have prevented the space shuttle disasters. 'Starlite has a Q-value [an energy absorption rating] of 2,470. The space shuttle tiles have a Q-value of 1.' Not only that, but because Starlite is so lightweight – 1mm thick, compared to 75mm for the space tiles – it's actually '2,470 x 75 times better'. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/5158972/S…

Q is the heat transfer rate; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer_coefficient

Thanks! But, if that's the case, a higher value means a worse insulator, so why would he brag about that?

(It's also a dimensionful quantity, but the reported value has no units -- maybe it's relative to some specific value...)

Re: Starlite

#47
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? There are plenty of WD40-work-a-likes on the market. Additionally, the ingredients to WD40 are on Wikipedia[1] and Wired had a mass spectroscopy done and published even more precise details[2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40#Formulation [2] http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_w...

You are right. My mistake. Second link you provided is very informative. Bonus: What people think they can use WD40 for: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/wd-40.asp

It's amazing how many people use WD40 as a lubricant. It's good for loosening stuck parts, but using it as a lubricant will wear parts quickly.

Re: Starlite

#48
post #16

Sounds like a situation that the patent system was supposedly designed to prevent. But, from the article linked by yapcguy: > He refused to patent the recipe as that would mean making it public and risking its theft Wouldn't patenting the formula prevent it from being "stolen"? Or is our patent system truly good for nothing at all?

Only in countries where patents hold sway.

And when the largest manufacturing base in the world resides under a political system with and spotty record on patents and copyright, I cannot really blame him.

I hope the info he gave his wife is 100% perfect and that she doesn't let it die on the vine.

Re: Starlite

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post #41
post #13

What sort of scientific Scrooge chooses to take his invention to the grave like that? What has he gained in the end?

Ages ago I spent a fair amount of time considering what would happen if someone invented a new power source. I was planning to try to write a short story based on the idea. In my imagination I invented a device the size of a fridge freezer capable of powering a small town for 100 years. The workings and science were irrelevant, but the politics of it was what interested me. I cant find the notes I made now, but essen…

That's more or less the premise of Atlas Shrugged. John Galt (one of the protagonists) invents a device just like that.

Re: Starlite

#50

I remember this being on Tomorrows World (which is a show that needs to come back), and practically every year that memory pops into my head and I wonder whatever happened to it. I think the segment ended with him showing it to NASA. If I remember correctly, he created it in his garden shed using off the shelf products that you could buy on the high street, and he just started mixing them together and testing the res…

Sounds like a recipe for amateur experimentation...or a real Walter White.
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