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Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by hartror » 

    No reason to try to get your ratio up artificially.
Why shouldn't they?

If they do this they may attract more girls (ladies, women?) to Angular which will improve the Angular ecosystem overall. Perhaps there are a number of women who have been tempted to go but aren't that committed to Angular and this might tip them over the edge.

I don't think we can acknowledge that there is a problem attracting women to our industry and not provide these sorts of concessions and special treatment, at least in the short to medium term. In the long term the industry culture and perceptions should be such that this isn't needed but that isn't where we are yet.

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by serf »

if you don't like the use of the word girl, eh. I don't really like boy much, either, but it wouldn't offend me. 'Boy's night out', 'one of the boys', whatever. It's not professional, but tech companies tend to be pretty fringe on the word professional, anyway.

if you don't like the idea of giving a specific sex a discounted ticket for simply having been born with different genitalia , right on. I totally agree.

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by abduhl »

This is one of the things that confuses me so much about the feminist movement in tech and in society at large. The conference organizers are trying to encourage female attendance by giving discounted tickets to women and someone immediately finds fault with them; however, if no effort were made then a multitude of posts would probably show up lamenting the lack of female attendance at the conference. This type of catch 22 is extremely detrimental to the feminist cause in my mind as it paints a picture where there is no good way out so why not just ignore it and take the flak that's coming anyways?

Also, the bar/nightlife industry has had great success with discounted "girl tickets" increasing female and male attendance.

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by LadyMartel »

hartror wrote: post #2

No reason to try to get your ratio up artificially. Why shouldn't they? If they do this they may attract more girls (ladies, women?) to Angular which will improve the Angular ecosystem overall. Perhaps there are a number of women who have been tempted to go but aren't that committed to Angular and this might tip them over the edge. I don't think we can acknowledge that there is a problem attracting women to our indus…

It's not that I necessarily disagree with the goal of attracting more female attendees, but as a girl (and maybe I'm just speaking for myself,) I don't feel like I would be "tipped over the edge" by a demeaning pink "Girl ticket."

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by lucisferre »

abduhl wrote: post #4

This is one of the things that confuses me so much about the feminist movement in tech and in society at large. The conference organizers are trying to encourage female attendance by giving discounted tickets to women and someone immediately finds fault with them; however, if no effort were made then a multitude of posts would probably show up lamenting the lack of female attendance at the conference. This type of ca…

This is one of the things that confuses me so much. Why anyone in our industry wouldn't understand the difference between "professional conference or event" and "ladies night", or between pointing out how common entirely male dominated speakers and panels are vs. merely complaining that there are no free tickets for women with pretty lanyard colours.

Seriously.

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by EllaMentry »

Wow...I don't know how much more stereotypical sexist male you could get in one email..."girls", "pink lanyard", gender binaries...

The way to attract more women, stike, people to your conference is not through tokenizing them...it's by making the conference interesting (having some diversity in the organization group would be a start!)

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by hartror »

LadyMartel wrote: post #6
hartror wrote: post #2

No reason to try to get your ratio up artificially. Why shouldn't they? If they do this they may attract more girls (ladies, women?) to Angular which will improve the Angular ecosystem overall. Perhaps there are a number of women who have been tempted to go but aren't that committed to Angular and this might tip them over the edge. I don't think we can acknowledge that there is a problem attracting women to our indus…

It's not that I necessarily disagree with the goal of attracting more female attendees, but as a girl (and maybe I'm just speaking for myself,) I don't feel like I would be "tipped over the edge" by a demeaning pink "Girl ticket."

I missed the pink lanyard bit. That does tip it into demeaning territory. Like girls/ladies/women need to be highlighted any more at a tech conference.

Re: Girl Tickets to ng-conf

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Post by LadyMartel »

abduhl wrote: post #4

This is one of the things that confuses me so much about the feminist movement in tech and in society at large. The conference organizers are trying to encourage female attendance by giving discounted tickets to women and someone immediately finds fault with them; however, if no effort were made then a multitude of posts would probably show up lamenting the lack of female attendance at the conference. This type of ca…

I'm not speaking for some imaginary strawman-feminist. I would rather that the event organizers treat me like anyone else and assume that my attendance would be based upon my interest in the subject and not offer me some affirmative-action ticket that automatically separates me from everyone else.
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