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Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by matthewdavis » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 5:48 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

chatman wrote: post #3

Redhat is at the top, Canonical nowhere to be found.

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various…

> Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well

Source?

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by Pxtl » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:14 PM UTC

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #10

Seeing so many chip makers up there on the list makes me wonder about the state of Linux drivers. Why is it that Android and Chrome OS and Windows can make drivers actually work, but Linux on laptops will still predictably run hot and drain the battery like crazy?

Because the hardware and OS companies are working together on this, and the hardware doesn't ship until it works in its target OS. In Linux, volunteers are poking around blindly tryign to get the hardware to do what they ask while the hardware vendor has all the information and isn't sharing it.

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by varikin » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:16 PM UTC

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #10

Seeing so many chip makers up there on the list makes me wonder about the state of Linux drivers. Why is it that Android and Chrome OS and Windows can make drivers actually work, but Linux on laptops will still predictably run hot and drain the battery like crazy?

I would expect the chip makers are putting more effort into getting server hardware working than consumer. Thing such as raid cards, high end network cards, motherboards, etc. Also possibly for dedicated off the shelf appliances the routers and such not. The types of things that are not cost efficient for minimizing to a laptop or commodity hardware.

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by pavanky » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:24 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

chatman wrote: post #3

Redhat is at the top, Canonical nowhere to be found.

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various…

> The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well.

Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. A lot of "Ubuntu derivatives" are not based on unity.

Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer and pretty themes, but the base is undeinably debian.

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:26 PM UTC

matthewdavis wrote: post #11

Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various…

> Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well Source?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-ubuntu-becoming-a-b...

A quick Google search will produce this information. Furthermore, I think a survey of new server deployments would be even more in Ubuntu's favour, though gathering such information is no doubt difficult.

In the article it does mention that Ubuntu is the most popular distro for Amazon deployments...

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:27 PM UTC

pavanky wrote: post #14

Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various…

> The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. A lot of "Ubuntu derivatives" are not based on unity. Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer and pretty themes, but the base is undeinably debian.

Ubuntu has made more modifications than simply the Unity DE. Is Linux Mint (the regular edition) fully compatible with Debian? Does a Debian server have the same features as an Ubuntu server?

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:29 PM UTC

pavanky wrote: post #14

Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various…

> The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. A lot of "Ubuntu derivatives" are not based on unity. Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer and pretty themes, but the base is undeinably debian.

> Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based.

Because Ubuntu is more than Unity. I mean, by the "Unity or its not Ubuntu-based" standard you propose, Kubuntu (which is exactly Ubuntu -- sharing all the same repos -- with the KDE desktop and apps installed by default) wouldn't be an "Ubuntu-based distribution".

Heck, Ubuntu Server, since it doesn't have a default DE at all, wouldn't be an "Ubuntu-based distribution", either.

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by ihsw » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:32 PM UTC

jordanthoms wrote: post #7

devx wrote: post #2

Can't wait for Google to replace ext4 with F2FS by default in Android. It offers significant speed improvement (~50 percent faster, or even 2x faster in some cases I think). There are a lot of performance improvements built into the new Linux kernels, too, along with 64-bit ARMv8 support, so those will be very welcome, too, if they arrive in Android 4.4.

It's pretty crazy for a Samsung filesystem to be actually good, considering their history with RFS...

Well take a look what F2FS stands for: Flash-Friendly File System. It's designed around living on disks that aren't platters of spinning rust.

Few companies can call themselves an authority on NAND flash memory and Samsung is definitely at the top of that list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2FS

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by jlgreco » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:35 PM UTC

pavanky wrote: post #14

Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually unaffiliated programmers are at the top. Canonical's contribution is more to the desktop and OS itself than to the kernel. The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Ubuntu is leading GNU/Linux adoption worldwide, which in itself is a huge contribution to the ecosystem, as it gets more programmers interested in various…

> The majority of desktop installations are either Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based, and Ubuntu is quickly becoming the server of choice as well. Unless you are using unity, I don't see why a distribution should be called ubuntu based instead of debian based. A lot of "Ubuntu derivatives" are not based on unity. Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer and pretty themes, but the base is undeinably debian.

> Sure Ubuntu has a betteer installer

Highly debatable. "Most accessible" installer perhaps, but as far as I am concerned, Debian's netinst has yet to be beat. Style isn't exactly high on my list of priorities during installation, it's not like that is something I do to show off in coffee-shops.

Re: Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors

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Post by jlarocco » Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 6:38 PM UTC

RamiK wrote: post #6

Is there a break down of what get's worked on by whom? Would be interesting to see what the hardware manufacturers are doing other than their own drivers. Probably fairer to if we're counting LOC...

Why would hardware manufacturers do anything other than their drivers?

They don't even have to contribute drivers, they certainly shouldn't be expected to go above and beyond that.