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Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by lsc »

regal wrote: post #72
jacquesm wrote: post #7

Nitpickers aside (yes, what they had they may still have or at least in digest form) this is a single instance of a tidal wave of people doing this. EU datacenters are doing quite well because of the NSA revelations. The economic impact of this could very well counteract any net plus the US had while they were able to spy at will. Likely it's not going to be the same parties that will end up footing the bill. The pra…

Much as I'd like to see some kind of "tidal wave of people doing this", purely in the interests of sending a message to somebody somewhere that data sniffing = not cool, I don't personally know anyone who's taken the time or energy to move all his data off of bugged U.S. servers onto bugged European or Asian ones or attempted to host it himself in less-efficient email clients, etc., nor plans to, nor do I hear very m…

>The Internet is living, breathing, functioning proof that, at least to 99.9999% of human beings, utility > privacy.

Imagine, for a moment, that evidence comes forward that Snowden wasn't the first.

Imagine that someone in Snowden's position did exactly the same thing, only for financial gain, say, selling private company secrets to a competitor.

That would change the situation, would it not?

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by GFischer »

devx wrote: post #38
dutchbrit wrote: post #24

You forgot the backdoors in your hardware. Yours faithfully, The United States of America

Maybe it's time EU, Latin America, and most of the Asian countries start banning US hardware, too - you know, just like US started banning Huawei, for the same reasons.

So, would we use Chinese hardware? It probably has backdoors too..

And at least here in Latin America I believe there aren't enough hardware providers to build anything resembling a modern computer.

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by levosmetalo »

josefresco wrote: post #60
levosmetalo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But may not get his future email and future data, which is still much better to him than if he stayed with Google.

may not being the key phrase. Thankfully for the NSA, they can add to his profile this how-to on how he's managing his data moving forward.

"may not" is still better or at the worst case the same as "certainly true" ;)

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by mcv »

regal wrote: post #72
jacquesm wrote: post #7

Nitpickers aside (yes, what they had they may still have or at least in digest form) this is a single instance of a tidal wave of people doing this. EU datacenters are doing quite well because of the NSA revelations. The economic impact of this could very well counteract any net plus the US had while they were able to spy at will. Likely it's not going to be the same parties that will end up footing the bill. The pra…

Much as I'd like to see some kind of "tidal wave of people doing this", purely in the interests of sending a message to somebody somewhere that data sniffing = not cool, I don't personally know anyone who's taken the time or energy to move all his data off of bugged U.S. servers onto bugged European or Asian ones or attempted to host it himself in less-efficient email clients, etc., nor plans to, nor do I hear very m…

I admit I'm kinda waiting for someone to say: "We're exactly like GMail/Dropbox/whatever but we take security seriously and we're outside US jurisdiction. Click this button and we'll migrate your data for you."

I guess I just don't value my boring private data enough to put much work into this right now. But if I ever need a new cloud service, being outside the US will definitely count as a big plus.

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by runjake »

Where are you going to move your data where it's less likely reachable by the NSA and the GCHQ? Another UKUSA member country? Any country in Europe? A third world nation?

You're only shifting eyes from western intelligence to a third world dictatorship, or Russia's FAPSI and GRU units. And in some cases, moving your data out of the US may subject it to even more scrutiny or dragnets.

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by ewams »

agentultra wrote: post #115
regal wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much as I'd like to see some kind of "tidal wave of people doing this", purely in the interests of sending a message to somebody somewhere that data sniffing = not cool, I don't personally know anyone who's taken the time or energy to move all his data off of bugged U.S. servers onto bugged European or Asian ones or attempted to host it himself in less-efficient email clients, etc., nor plans to, nor do I hear very m…

It's scary that they don't care but not surprising. We live in a world where the majority of people with privilege are comfortable with the fact that racial profiling still pervades the criminal justice system. In fact, such a statement will be viewed as controversial and debate will be diluted by meaningless argument about whether racial profiling exists or whether the use of the term, "privilege," is even fair. Pri…

Please explain what "the reality" is in regards for what they use it for that is more frightening.

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by [deleted] »

stekoz wrote: post #61
rsync wrote: post #13

Obviously we[1] sympathize with this, since we've been running a swiss location since 2006 - one that has become increasingly busy in the last 3-4 months. However, I personally don't store my data there - even though I am deeply disturbed by the recent revelations and invoke all manner of security precautions in my own digital life. First of all, it appears that intra-US Internet traffic is subject to less scrutiny a…

Re: other global "observers", I think most of us are assuming that the NSA is the most capable and powerful among them. While in general this may be true, I wonder how much we don't know we don't know about other agencies.

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Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by driverdan »

scrrr wrote: post #26

I suspected there was going to be a mass exodus. NSA basically killed cloud-computing. I don't think it will come back soon. And while on the subject, consider selling your Microsoft stock. How many enterprise customers will choose Microsoft products again after 2013?

One hacker moving is data to his own country is a mass exodus? This site's users represent a small fraction of the general population. Most people don't know or care about what's going on. There isn't and won't be a mass exodus. Will it have a large enough impact to make companies take action? Quite possibly. But there is no way it's going to kill cloud computing.

Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building

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Post by [deleted] »

koide wrote: post #112
criley2 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short sighted pragmatism. As Europeans turn against Americans (or more precisely, non-Anglos turn against the Anglosphere/Five Eyes), the West begins to fracture precisely as the East begins to rise again with force. It's going to be an interesting decade.

The west fractured or not, the east is going to rise. Turning a blind eye to this concrete opportunity makes no difference to that end result, but does affect the quarter's earnings. Also, these quarrels will hardly damage international relations in any significant manner as to prevent the west unite in whatever manner they see fit to face the east.

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